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  •  Laws of war (none)
    The 'Laws of War' were firmly established in the UN charter and the 4th Geneva convention and at Nuremberg, at the behast of the 'great powers', forced to do something about the 50 million corpses and countless shattered lives around the world.  The horror of the second world war was profound in at least trying to civilize the world, establishing that this was a legitimate goal.  

    Now we have leaders who know nothing of the horror of that or any other war(except maybe Rumsfeld, who's just fucking crazy), only of the glory.  They could care less about it's history, as they believe themselves to be the historical vanguard, creating the new world order.  Why should a few pieces of paper signed 30, 40, 50 years ago stand in the way of their noble cause?

    Well, we as a nation need to decide whether or not civilization is something that we will strive for only when it's not the least bit convenient for us and our 'leaders' or if it's a true American value , demanded at all times.  The lives of our servicemen depend on it.  The lives of many more Iraqis depend on it, as the lives of millions of vietnamese had in the past, and who knows how many millions elsewhere will in the future.  Unfortunately, based on the 2004 election, I fear I already know our decision.

    •  The Laws of War!! (none)
      That's a good one! HAHAHAHA!

      Where are they? Next in line to go in the shredder after the Geneva Conventions?

      When are we going to REALLY UNDERSTAND who and what we are dealing with here.

      Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. - Mark Twain

      by Liberal AND Proud on Thu Jun 16, 2005 at 11:16:33 AM PDT

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      •  Well, kind of my point (none)
        The administration doesn't respect any kind of moral or legal limit on their right to kill, torture and conquer in the name of whatever.  I don't expect them to in the future.  Americans need to decide if we're a civilized nation or a crusader state.  They had the chance in 2004, and went with the later.

        I don't have any solutions.

      •  The Laws of War were.... (none)
        in place before the Geneva Conventions. The Laws of War included specific prohibitions, however the Nazi lawyers created techniques that did not technically violate the "Laws of War".

        Techniques that the Nazi's used to get around the laws of war were forced nudity and forced shaving of the head of women and head and face of men. These techniques were particularly offensive to orthodox jews.

        After the Nazi's were defeated the Geneva Conventions were drafted in 1948 with broader language to cover any type of inhumane or torture technique imaginable.

        Gonzales of course fixed that problem by claiming that the Geneva Conventions don't apply.

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