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  •  Do you think the Democratic side of the aisle (3+ / 0-)
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    paints a stark enough distinction to push a more progressive solution?

    It seems to me that there's not much progressive policy laying around given that it's blue dog country.

    I think that lack of clear distinction has been part of the problem in both grooming local, minor league political talent, and in having receptors in the body politic for progressive policy.


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    by k9disc on Tue Jul 16, 2013 at 10:19:02 AM PDT

    •  Not totally blue dog (5+ / 0-)

      More like the Democratic side of the aisle is in disarray.

      Blue dogs have imploded, progressives aren't yet quite ascendant.

      We need leadership and a coalition.  And yes, a vision, or rather, the articulation of a vision.

      Republicans are actually helping Dems in this by being so aggressive about what THEY believe in.

      Even blue dog dems and moderate republicans seem to be becoming alarmed at the dismantling of higher education and draconian social laws.

      These not only embarrass the state but discourage business owners from moving here, because business owners know that with these laws in place they will no longer be able to attract the best and the brightest to the state.

      Just because the government keeps a record of real property transfers, it doesn't mean that the government wants to confiscate your home.

      by NCJan on Tue Jul 16, 2013 at 10:53:53 AM PDT

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      •  HIGHER Ed? (6+ / 0-)

        How about ALL education?  Paul Stam with his "public funds for private school voucher program" for example.  But the list goes on and on and on.  cripple gun laws, cut off unemployment, restrict abortion, frack a shale formation unlike any that's ever been fracked before without any real idea what will happen for 3 years worth of gas, harden the coastline against barrier island movement but ignore any scientific evidence of sea level rise.  Disenfranchise as many people as possible who are unlikely to vote for you, and while you're at it pass up a chance to have federal funds to expand voter access.  And don't even think of expanding Medicaid.

        Oh, and lie about all of it.  Tell the folks delivering the petition to your office that you're in a meeting... playing baseball.

        The only hope there is for any of this to be stopped is to keep calling them out on it and hope it's enough.

        I'll believe corporations are people when one comes home from Afghanistan in a body bag.

        by mojo11 on Tue Jul 16, 2013 at 11:26:31 AM PDT

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      •  Well, you can't expect the Democrats to be (1+ / 0-)
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        properly arrayed while blue dogs ape Republicans and push Republican policies.

        Whether it is Blue Dogs or Republicans imploding, doesn't really matter. Without progressive policies and pushback against failed conservative policies, all you can expect is disarray out of a Center Right Democratic caucus.

        I'm not quite saying this right, grr... but this is what I see all over the place when Democrats run to the right. The further we run to the right, the further we are from our values. When things get tough there is no ideology to fall back on.

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        by k9disc on Tue Jul 16, 2013 at 11:49:32 AM PDT

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    •  The "lack of clear distinction", is because in (5+ / 0-)

      the past there was little real distinction between Republicans and Democrats in NC.  Even under Republican Governors, there was always a Democratic legislature to keep things on an even keel.

      I think a lot of people thought that putting a bunch of Republicans in charge would be business as usual.  What they didn't realize is that they put the tea party and Art Pope in charge.  

      Their latest, is "finance reform", aka give to the rich, and corporations, and take away from the middle class and poor.

      Personally, I think we will be lucky if they don't bankrupt the state.

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      by Sixty Something on Tue Jul 16, 2013 at 11:51:00 AM PDT

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      •  WTF are they thinking? (3+ / 0-)
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        I mean it's one thing to bankrupt the nation - that fits their MO of national sabotage - state's rights and whatnot... but to shit right where they eat?

        Up around the Great Lakes it's happening too. But I see a nifty angle there - Bankrupt the people and get the water for cheap - sell the rest at firesale prices. Think neo-colonialism instead of neo-feudalism.

        I did not expect to see such aggressive moves towards breaking things down South. I expected that to be more of a neo-feudal set up.

        Hope that makes sense...  

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        by k9disc on Tue Jul 16, 2013 at 11:59:39 AM PDT

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