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  •  I don't read the statements (11+ / 0-)

    about what the GOP could do without a filibuster the same way you do.  You seem to think its a plea for help - "please save me from myself".  I think it's a threat, and a foretaste of exactly what will happen if the gop ever has a 51-49 majority, or even a 50-50 tie and a gop VP.

    It has already happened over and over at the state level.  Bullies and thugs rule the GOP and will exercise every bit of power they have when they have it.

    •  Agreed. (3+ / 0-)
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      If there's one thing we've learned from the GOP since the Reagan Revolution/Neo-Con Revolution, it's that they are relentless and will stop at nothing to get their way. No trick too dirty, all the while proclaiming it is what has been done to them!

      Peace is not merely a distant goal that we seek, but a means by which we arrive at that goal. - Martin Luther King, Jr.

      by Gentle Giant on Tue Jul 16, 2013 at 11:38:11 AM PDT

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    •  Agree that was absolutely a retaliation threat (3+ / 0-)
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      And they will carry it out, too, and it will be ugly and painful.  But, IMO, they were going to do it anyway. Do unto others before they can do unto you, being their standard motto.  

      If Dems EVER applied the hassle-free filibuster in anything REMOTELY approaching the total-obstruction way that the R's have recently been doing, it would be gone in a HEARTBEAT.  I don't see how anyone can doubt it.  

      "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

      by lgmcp on Tue Jul 16, 2013 at 11:40:58 AM PDT

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      •  Mutually Assured Destruction (1+ / 0-)
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        The Dems did use the "silent filibuster" to good effect during the Reign of Bush the Younger, but McConnell & Sons raised it to an art form.

        I'll believe corporations are people when one comes home from Afghanistan in a body bag.

        by mojo11 on Tue Jul 16, 2013 at 12:36:00 PM PDT

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    •  I agree and this is a reason I've thought the Dems (6+ / 0-)
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      might as well get rid of the filibuster. I think Mitch McConnell even said he'd get rid of it if the Republicans get the majority in the Senate. So the older Democratic Senators trying to protect the filibuster thinking that will give protection to the Democrats if the Republicans get the majority are fooling themselves. Republicans these days never abide by the rules they impose on others -- they go ahead with whatever benefits them the most. Tradition, supposedly the hallmark of conservatism, is only important to them when it preserves or enhancers their power. Look at the Supreme Court for more examples of this.

      While Democrats work to get more people to vote, Republicans work to ensure those votes won't count.

      by Tamar on Tue Jul 16, 2013 at 11:44:51 AM PDT

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    •  Yes, that's true. (1+ / 0-)
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      If Mitch McConnell attempts that, however, his words from this contretemps will be thrown right back at him, followed by a reminder that the Democrats, after all, didn't do it when they could.

      FWIW.

      I personally prefer a rules change that preserves the filibuster but makes it successively harder to maintain, e.g., 60 votes today, 67 in six weeks.  It's "advise and consent" after all, and a filibuster does neither.

      Après le thé, le déluge. -- Glenn Beck, aka Napoleon XIV

      by mspicata on Tue Jul 16, 2013 at 12:13:49 PM PDT

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      •  Erm... did you mean "57" in six weeks? (0+ / 0-)

        Because going from 60 votes to break it to 67 would make it EASIER to keep it going.

        I'll believe corporations are people when one comes home from Afghanistan in a body bag.

        by mojo11 on Tue Jul 16, 2013 at 12:38:03 PM PDT

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