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  •  Wait a minute (1+ / 0-)
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    Aren't you making two conflicting points at the same time?

    The fact that Harry Reid has refused to give up the nuclear threat and is keeping it in his pocket means that they've effectively killed the filibuster:
    followed a bit later by:
    That means, as smart progressives like Sens. Richard Blumenthal and Bernie Sanders are saying even after this deal has apparently been struck, filibuster reform still has to happen.
    If the filibuster was effectively killed, there would be no need to reform it. That idea that it's dead is based on the Republicans believing that the Democrats would actually go through with killing it on other issues.
    Let's see how many judicial nominees go through before we start assuming that shall we? The Dems weren't willing to end it over them, and I'm sure McConnell noticed that.
    This was a win for Reid, he did get votes on several nominees this time, so he deserves some credit, but the filibuster still is very much in place.
    If this leverage is used by the Dems to create genuine reform to the filibuster, such as making people actually talk, and make it apply to all votes, then I'll start joining the chorus here, but right now, this is a small victory in one battle and nothing more.
    •  I hope I'm wrong, but I don't see much here (1+ / 0-)
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      fat old man

      Those nominees were an almost insignificant part of the 400 filibusters the Repugs have done.  If the Dems aren't willing to use this threat on policy issues and judicial appointments, than the Repugs have bought time until they get control of the Senate.

      •  Agree (1+ / 0-)
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        There is a lot of hyperbole on the site today from the front pagers that the filibuster is effectively dead.
        I just don't see it.
        It is certainly in place for judicial nominees. Apparently the Dems. didn't consider the gaping holes in the judiciary to be important enough to add them to the bargain, and of course the Republicans noticed this.
        It's certainly still in place for legislation, and when the next piece of legislation dies in a 57-43 vote, that will be made clear.
        This was a small win for Harry Reid and the Democrats, but that's all.

      •  Not sure that day will come anytime soon. nt (0+ / 0-)

        "I think it's the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately." -- George Carlin, Satirical Comic,(1937-2008)

        by Wynter on Tue Jul 16, 2013 at 12:30:38 PM PDT

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