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  •  It's not that cut and dry everywhere. (4+ / 0-)
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    For example, the US generally doesn't allow for trials in absentia (that whole "right to face one's accusers" thing).  Only under certain circumstances does the US allow for a trial by absentia, for example if the defendant flees jurisdiction after the trial has begun, then the trial can continue to proceed without his presence.  And if a defendant is disruptive during the trial, he can be removed and the trial proceeds without his presence.  A trial cannot begin in absentia, though, unless the defendant waves his right to be present.  

    So the US can't try Snowden in absentia.

    Progressives would typically abhor the concept of "trial in absentia", but I imagine they'll make an exception in this case.

    •  you subject yourself to a jurisdictions rules (2+ / 0-)
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      italian law allows this.

      •  I'm not sure what your point is (2+ / 0-)
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        Lots of countries have laws that we consider reprehensible.  We don't consider it justice or right when they get enforced.  We don't aid or abet their enforcement.

        •  Yeah, trial in absentia is so much worse (1+ / 0-)
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          than torturing somebody until their mind is completely shattered.

          I want to see Snowden get a fair trial, an impartial jury, and the same sentence James Clapper gets for lying to Congress.

          by happymisanthropy on Thu Jul 18, 2013 at 05:47:09 PM PDT

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          •  Oh please. If the US tried Snowden in absentia, (0+ / 0-)

            this site would explode in outrage, and you know it.
            But the pure progressives applaud trials by absentia in other countries when it suits their purpose.  Hypocrisy is a human trait, fine, but progressives like to pretend that they're all about integrity and consistency.  They're just as hypocritical as the unwashed masses they pretend to be intellectually and morally superior to.

            •  If you want to accuse people of hypocrisy, (1+ / 0-)
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              why don't you find examples of positions they've actually taken, rather than positions they might hypothetically take?

              I remember some (cough, cough) pretending that it's hypocritical to support Snowden and condemn Scooter Libby.  Forgive me if I take accusations of hypocrisy, even ones not totally hypothetical, to be extremely weak arguments.

              If you think this torture-enabling convict deserves a new trial, why don't you just say so?

              I want to see Snowden get a fair trial, an impartial jury, and the same sentence James Clapper gets for lying to Congress.

              by happymisanthropy on Thu Jul 18, 2013 at 07:57:08 PM PDT

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      •  pat - the in absentia trials were kabuki theater (1+ / 0-)
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        for domestic Italian political purposes.

        Who represented the CIA agents at the trial and how capable and effective advocates were they?

        "let's talk about that"

        by VClib on Thu Jul 18, 2013 at 08:09:30 PM PDT

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        •  The Italian equivalent of high-level (1+ / 0-)
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          public defenders, i. e. not what you get in Texas. Court-appointed lawyers. All but two chose not to communicate with their lawyers. Something about them being undercover agents going under aliases, and no doubt other considerations.

          Ceterem censeo, gerrymandra delenda est

          by Mokurai on Fri Jul 19, 2013 at 12:18:48 AM PDT

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