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  •  "The Guy Coming In The Next Canoe Is A Cop" (2+ / 0-)
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    Miggles, nzanne

    ....you say that and leave.

    Guys like this have been around for decades and especially out west will illegally string barbed wire across the river and shooting guns in the air.

    The funny thing is that fisherman leave their bait containers of rotting chicken livers and carpets of cigarettes butts but canoeists usually leave no trace.

    Men are so necessarily mad that not to be mad would amount to another form of madness -Pascal

    by bernardpliers on Tue Jul 23, 2013 at 04:54:02 PM PDT

    •  Floaters on this part of the Meramec (3+ / 0-)
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      nzanne, LilithGardener, joanil

      can leave a big mess - beer cans, trash, coolers, clothing, etc.  

      It gets very congested, this is the closest river to St. Louis for float trips, just about an hour's drive from the city, so it gets a lot of traffic.  Certain areas around Steeleville, past the intersection with the Huzzah River, can literally have so many floaters you could walk from one side of the river to the other without getting wet.  Personally, if I were a privacy freak, like Crocker, I wouldn't buy property on the river there, or I would stay away for the summer.

      They do have water patrols by the game wardens, etc. but it sounds like they need more. I'm surprised this guy wasn't caught before he hurt someone. Republicans in the MO legislature have been cutting the budget like crazy, though.

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      by Betty Pinson on Tue Jul 23, 2013 at 05:15:03 PM PDT

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      •  He might have been there (2+ / 0-)
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        nzanne, LilithGardener

        Long before the floaters became such a nuisance. Hell, he might have inherited the property. It's not impossible.

      •  It's possibly the difference between (2+ / 0-)
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        IamGumby, LilithGardener

        boaters and floaters.

        In the west, most boaters are pretty schooled in river etiquette and no one minds having them around. Floaters, however, come in two types: sweet family sorts who are experiencing the river for the first time and just have to be educated, and rowdy drunks or stoners who are there just to party.

        It's the latter folks causing the problems for both of the former.

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        by nzanne on Tue Jul 23, 2013 at 05:50:25 PM PDT

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      •  RESIDENTS on that part of the Meramec (0+ / 0-)

        can leave a big mess. I used to live in Crawford Co. Steelville is a nasty, scummy outlaw town and always has been. If you are from the area, maybe you, too, are old enough to remember "The Ozark Playground" on Hwy 19 just inside the Crawford County line. It was the place for a good fight on Saturday night.

        There are hundreds of shanties, broken down single-wides, and dead vehicles along the river. Sure, there are inconsiderate floaters and boaters, but most of the residents are no better.

    •  I have no problem with doing that to stay alive, (1+ / 0-)
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      Mark Mywurtz

      but I also have no problem with just disarming millions and millions of us to keep the greatest possible number of people alive.

      To me, it borders on the barbaric to presume that an armed populace is largely a benign circumstance.

      (Personally, I've talked my way out of potentially lethal situations with both L.E. and the other side but that was pretty much all back in the day when I was a full on adrenalin junky.)

      There can be no protection locally if we're content to ignore the fact that there are no controls globally.

      by oldpotsmuggler on Tue Jul 23, 2013 at 07:50:11 PM PDT

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