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  •  It's not just a matter of beer cans and trash. (12+ / 0-)

    Some of these float trips are beyond partying.  People within the parties sometimes have guns and other crap, like fireworks, that they do real damage with.  They leave the stream and commit property damage on the farms themselves, scare cattle, catch crops and woodlands on fire, there have been incidents of farm pets being killed.  And this isn't a new thing, rowdy float trips have been going on for decades, I took a few myself in my youth.  But the number of people who are floating has become unbelievable, and they're not all just peeing on a gravel bar.

    And yes, in Missouri if you wander onto someone's property, particularly if it's posted, you're likely to be met with a gun.  That landowner with a gun is going to consider you the aggressor, he'll be considering you armed and dangerous whether you are or not.  If he shoots at you and doesn't kill you then chances are nobody's gonna bat an eye.  The farther into the hills you go the more likely this is.  Being respectful and apologetic and backing away might just save your life.

    I'm not at all defending the guy with the gun.  I'm just saying that there's more to this than a nut with a gun getting crazy on some poor water lover.  I lived the majority of my life amongst the hillbillies of Missouri, and I know what I grew up with and what I've seen since.  This particular guy is probably gonna go to jail for his crime.  But the dynamics at play along the Meramec and other popular float streams will not.

    "The world breaks everyone, and afterward, some are strong at the broken places." Ernest Hemingway

    by Got a Grip on Tue Jul 23, 2013 at 04:58:44 PM PDT

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      I've read in the news that the Meramec float season had grown way out of control and had a lot of problems.   Our property is about 4 or 5 miles from the Meramec, so we don't have to deal with it.  Deer season can still be a problem, though, with people coming, getting loaded and hunting on some local farms where owners charge them a daily fee.  They cross over onto our property all the time with ATV's.  My uncle and cousins deal with it, but the risk of the drunk hunters shooting each other is always a concern.  It's not like the old days, haha.

      "The international world is wondering what happened to America's great heart and soul." Helen Thomas

      by Betty Pinson on Tue Jul 23, 2013 at 05:59:10 PM PDT

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