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  •  Thank you for the background on this area of (4+ / 0-)
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    the river.

    If it's that much of a problem why can't local or state law prohibit drinking on the river?

    Why can't police simply start citing people for public drunkenness or public nudity or for disturbing the peace?

    Or are these property owners those who think the market can solve all problems and there is no need to raise taxes so the state police can put some State Police patrol boats on the river, and spend some time going around to the businesses instructing the floater businesses what behavior on the river is subject to citation/a fine.

    It might be very reasonable for local ordinance to say you can pee in the river, but you can't stop to shit in the woods.

    "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

    by LilithGardener on Tue Jul 23, 2013 at 05:10:45 PM PDT

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    •  If there were cops stationed along the river (8+ / 0-)

      They likely would be citing people for a lot of things.

      There aren't. Which is part of the reason the floaters are so rowdy, because nobody is going to catch them.

      Not everybody, of course. But enough.

      There is wrong on both sides here. But really, if you stop along the river and somebody tells you to leave, and has a GUN, you LEAVE. Immediately. You don't argue with him.

      •  Agreed that it was beyond arrogance to (2+ / 0-)
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        argue with the man with a gun yelling at you to get off the "lawn."

        "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

        by LilithGardener on Tue Jul 23, 2013 at 05:49:19 PM PDT

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      •  They have water patrols (3+ / 0-)
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        but I'm guessing they don't have enough. The GoP legislature in MO has done a lot of budget cutting in the last several years and it's hurt the state departments quite a bit.  

        My uncle used to be a game warden in the county north of this one. He did a lot of water patrols catching poachers, etc.  He's retired now, but the stories he tells will raise your hair.  I told him he should write a book. My dad was a forest ranger in the next county to the east.

        My friends and I used to canoe on the Current, White and Courtois rivers when I was in college (mid 70's), but we usually went out before Memorial Day, when the water was higher (more rapids) and there were no other floaters. We drank a few beers, smoked a little pot and, one time, took acid (haha).  We didn't leave a mess.

        Today, a lot of people use kayaks and canoes, but a lot rent big inner tubes, tie them together and float in large flotillas with booze, drugs, music, etc.  The Meramec is big and slow in the summer. Its more for the crowd who doesn't want a rapids challenge, but wants to lay back and get loaded and sunburned.

        Back in the day, the lands bordering the river were farms that had been in families for generations.  Farmers were more tolerant.  Today, it looks like some of these farms are broken up and the riverfront areas sold cheaply to people who live there full time and are less tolerant.

        It's more like this today. Winter's Bone was filmed a few counties west and south from Crawford.

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        "The international world is wondering what happened to America's great heart and soul." Helen Thomas

        by Betty Pinson on Tue Jul 23, 2013 at 05:49:23 PM PDT

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      •  Some Spots Almost Need Lifeguards (0+ / 0-)

        On some rivers there are dangerous spots that drown drunks on inner tubes every couple weeks. But Darwin will have the last laugh when booze rules.

        Men are so necessarily mad that not to be mad would amount to another form of madness -Pascal

        by bernardpliers on Tue Jul 23, 2013 at 11:08:21 PM PDT

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    •  So, in our area, (1+ / 0-)
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      there's public access on a piece of annexed City property to a river that runs through private property in the County. Further, most of the private riverbanks are not accessible by road (either for law enforcement, firemen, or paramedics).

      Neither the Sheriff nor the PD want the hassle - or expense - of dealing with this.

      "Only a Vulcan mind meld will help with this congress." Leonard Nimoy, 3/1/13

      by nzanne on Tue Jul 23, 2013 at 05:34:11 PM PDT

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