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  •  Cops (0+ / 0-)

    We were talking about shootings by civilians. Shootings by cops are also a concern, but they are a different issue because cops are hired by the public to carry a gun and intervene in situations like that, screened, trained, and supervised. Contrast that with a civilian like Zimmerman who just decides he wants to be able to kill somebody if it seems like a good idea to him at the time, not hired by the public, with no screening, no training, and no supervision.

    •  Not sure cops are so different in that regard. nnt (0+ / 0-)

      "But there's one thing that gives every Marine the willies, and anyone saying otherwise is a liar. Drop pods. That shit is terrifying, son."

      by Shaviv on Tue Jul 23, 2013 at 09:26:09 PM PDT

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    •  Cops and gun training (0+ / 0-)

      Most cops have virtually zero training in the use of their firearms...I was an instructor in a fairly large city's police academy, the syllabus on this subject covered one afternoon at the range and a bit of target practice.  Zimmerman did NOT 'decide' to kill someone...if you know he did, you are an accessory to murder for not letting the State know about it...otherwise you have just pulled that opinion out of your ass.

      •  Sure He Did (0+ / 0-)

        Zimmerman didn't drop the gun.  It didn't accidentally go off. Zimmerman wasn't aiming at a paper target and missed.  Zimmerman wasn't cleaning the gun thinking it was unloaded.

        Zimmerman loaded his gun with dum dum bullets, pointed his gun directly at Martin's heart from a few inches away, and pulled the trigger on purpose.  The only question was whether the intentional killing was justified or not, or whether there was at least a reasonable doubt about whether the intentional killing was justified or not.

    •  The only difference between a cop and a civilian (0+ / 0-)

      in that situation is that the cops will have more paperwork to do, but will probably fire slightly sooner.

      If you shoot a guy trying to rob you and he had a 'gun' in his hand, even if that gun turns out upon further investigation to not be a gun, or an inoperable gun, it's pretty much an open-and-shut self-defense case, to the point where you may not even be detained for more than a few hours by the police, even in a duty-to-retreat state, depending on how much evidence there is to back up your story.

      The whole needing-to-be-omniscient thing for a 'good' use of lethal force in self-defense is just bullshit.  "The guy pulled out a gun so I shot him!" "Aah, but he forgot to replace the firing pin when he was cleaning it!  It never would have gone off, even though the guy thought it would have!  MURDERER!"

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