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  •  However, you do have the right to approach (0+ / 0-)

    drunken louts on your property and tell them to GTFO.

    There is no right to approach and shoot someone in the middle of the street, no matter how loud or drunk or how disorderly they are.
    And if one of those drunken louts picks up a rock (a deadly weapon - if you don't agree how about I throw a 1 pound rock at your head from a few feet away and if I hit your head then you get to shoot me... if you're concious enough to pull the trigger) you have the right to pull a gun on them - this was Crocker's land so Castle Doctrine applies, not SYG.

    If one of those people then tries to grab your gun arm or your gun (and Dart's wife says he tried to do this) you have the right to shoot him.

    Whether or not Crocker committed a crime is a very fact dependent question - who was the first person who committed a crime in the confrontation.

    •  Can you source this claim? (0+ / 0-)
      this was Crocker's land so Castle Doctrine applies, not SYG.

      "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

      by LilithGardener on Wed Jul 24, 2013 at 09:27:32 AM PDT

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      •  Dart's cousin went into the woods to urinate (0+ / 0-)

        http://www.stltoday.com/...

        A group of family and friends on an annual float trip stopped at a gravel bar in the Meramec on Saturday afternoon to refresh drinks and answer the call of nature, according to Loretta Dart, who was on the trip. Her cousin went into the woods to urinate.
        The ownership status of the gravel bar is apparently unclear.

        But there seems to be no question that the woods were Crocker's property.

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