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  •  No thank you. What a mistake! The left has (2+ / 0-)
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    nothing to gain from an alliance with the kind of libertarians who hide out in the Republican party.  

    On the surface, it occasionally seems that there's common ground on a couple or three issues:  

    #1] Foreign policy / militarism / drones.
    #2] 4th Amendment / Privacy / NSA domestic surveillance.
    #3] Marijuana legalization

    On #1, I look at Rand Paul's budget document which calls for eliminating the Departments of Education, Commerce, Energy and HUD, while beefing up the military. I also look at his marathon filibuster on the subject of drone attacks.  I don't see that he objects to drone strikes from a solid anti-war position.  I'd have to check, but I don't think he minds drone strikes as much as the idea of Obama ordering them.  And with his outreach director, Dominionist David Lane, calling for a religious civil war, maybe he thinks he has a reason to worry.  This isn't the same thing as an anti-war position.  

    On #2, I question whether libertarians have a real interest in civil liberties.  For example, there have been egregious 4th Amendment violations including false arrest in Arizona without probable cause of people who committed no offense.  They were victimized because of their Hispanic appearance.  I don't see libertarians saying or doing anything on this issue.  Rand Paul voted against the immigration reform bill.  His concerns were guarding the border and potential voter fraud.  When it's the NSA with Obama in the background, the 4th amendment becomes an accute concern.  (see #1)

    On #3, is it the war on drugs that bothers libertarians, or the role of the feds in it?  What good would it be to take the feds out of it and throw the dice to see whether one state government or another promotes a more sensible policy?  

    When I look at the roll call votes on certain measures in the House, Rep. Amash breaks from the party line often enough.  He even votes the same way that Grijalva and Ellison, the two Progressive caucus co-chairs, do, sometimes.   His reasons for voting the way that he did may be entirely different than theirs.  Yes, it matters.

    There is no existence without doubt.

    by Mark Lippman on Wed Jul 24, 2013 at 06:08:59 PM PDT

    •  Meanwhile all you ideologically (2+ / 0-)
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      pure folk are getting so many practical things accomplished.

      •  I rec'd that because no one is getting anything (1+ / 0-)
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        accomplished and you hit the bullseye on what is really the matter.  However, when looking for a solution to any given problem, I prefer to steer clear of any solutions that will only make matters worse.

        There is no existence without doubt.

        by Mark Lippman on Wed Jul 24, 2013 at 06:47:34 PM PDT

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        •  Ok we agree on something. (1+ / 0-)
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          I posted this once and it didn't take.

          I think that the gridlock is the problem and it is a game designed by the corporate elite of both parties to district the public while they exert control.

          •  I don't get people willing to partner and make (0+ / 0-)

            deals with an opponent when they criticize Obama for doing the same thing.  I wouldn't negotiate or get involved in any scheme pushed by a Republican because it's guaranteed to blow up in your face.  

            There is no existence without doubt.

            by Mark Lippman on Wed Jul 24, 2013 at 07:58:04 PM PDT

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            •  I think it is about results. (0+ / 0-)

              The criticism of Obama's bipartisan deals is usually because he seems to be giving stuff away without getting much in return. It's not just a matter of speaking with the enemy.

            •  Good policy is good politics. (1+ / 0-)
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              I don't have to agree or support someone for everything if I work with them once to form a majority coalition on good policy.

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              "Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose."

              There are no Christians in foxholes.

              by Odysseus on Thu Jul 25, 2013 at 07:34:18 AM PDT

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