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  •  it will sort itself out (15+ / 0-)

    over time.

    Maybe miller stays around again, at some point the Dems will get their act together, the state party will crack heads
    and run one "Blessed" candidate,

    No voting system is ideal.

    you can prove mathematically that 5 different voting systems will give 5 different results all less then optimal.

    •  This! (2+ / 0-)
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      Capt Crunch, patbahn

      If seven "Democrats" run against each other under this system, they deserve to lose.

      Ignorant arrogance.

    •  Only in America (0+ / 0-)
      5 different voting systems will give 5 different results all less then optimal

      What stronger breast-plate than a heart untainted! Thrice is he arm'd, that hath his quarrel just; And he but naked, though lock'd up in steel, Whose conscience with injustice is corrupted. King Henry, scene ii

      by TerryDarc on Sun Jul 28, 2013 at 09:44:25 AM PDT

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      •  i once saw a PBS special on voting (2+ / 0-)
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        where they had an election for voting methods,
        and it was a nice way to show how any
        preference method would skew the results

        frankly I think preference voting schemes are best.
        A is my first choice, C is my second choice,  F is my third
        and wipe out the ones who fail and stack upwards
        but even that wipeout can produce different results
        depending upon how you do a wipeout.

        •  There is surely nothing sacred (2+ / 0-)
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          about the winner take all, primary, redistricting, two party crap we've got that produces a house of reps that should be a seriously reduced minority are found instead to be 235:200 (or whatever) Republican.

          What stronger breast-plate than a heart untainted! Thrice is he arm'd, that hath his quarrel just; And he but naked, though lock'd up in steel, Whose conscience with injustice is corrupted. King Henry, scene ii

          by TerryDarc on Sun Jul 28, 2013 at 01:19:41 PM PDT

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          •  i like having districts (0+ / 0-)

            but,  having a choice vote, where i can vote for 1st second
            third choice,  and they do some sort of rack and stack.

            •  Don't mind the districts (1+ / 0-)
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              codairem

              but the gaming to put all the dems in one super heavily democratic district while diluting the remaining into safely repug districts leads to the undemocratic bs we've got that only votes to repeal Obamacare every week, seeking only to get re-elected and push their stupidity first agenda on America.

              We don't have a democracy: we have a travesty of democracy.

              What stronger breast-plate than a heart untainted! Thrice is he arm'd, that hath his quarrel just; And he but naked, though lock'd up in steel, Whose conscience with injustice is corrupted. King Henry, scene ii

              by TerryDarc on Sun Jul 28, 2013 at 01:36:17 PM PDT

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              •  the california redistricting to compactness (1+ / 0-)
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                TerryDarc

                worked out really well.

                nice rational districts, cleared out some deadwood,
                made everyone have a decent race.

                and the open primary, i think will create some interesting effects.

                I think the extremists will have a tough time
                with the jungle primary.

    •  Arrow's theorem (1+ / 0-)
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      patbahn

      No voting system involving more than two candidates can be perfectly "fair."

      http://en.wikipedia.org/...

      We don't want our country back, we want our country FORWARD. --Eclectablog

      by Samer on Sun Jul 28, 2013 at 10:33:32 AM PDT

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      •  Range voting is the answer (1+ / 0-)
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        codairem

        I already put the link to the range voting organization further up, so this time I'll link to the book about it:

        http://www.amazon.com/...

        It's a fair, easy to implement system.  We should do it.  

        •  There's ALWAYS a problem (1+ / 0-)
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          codairem

          Range voting allows for "tactical voting" where voters don't express their true preferences.

          Not saying it's not superior, merely that it's not a cure-all.

          We don't want our country back, we want our country FORWARD. --Eclectablog

          by Samer on Sun Jul 28, 2013 at 12:50:10 PM PDT

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          •  In theory, yes, but tactical voting never amounts (0+ / 0-)

            to anything in practice.  Santorum didn't win the Repub primary, and Clinton didn't win the Democratic one.

            99% of voters will vote their true preferences (to the extent they can figure them out).  It's time we implement ranked voting in all elections.

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