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  •  We're still paying for the Stadium (7+ / 0-)

    that was built for the Milwaukee Brewers when the original stadium (that ALSO accommodated football so the Packers could play a few games per season) would have been much cheaper to refurbish.

    But noooooo.   They had to have a brand new boondoggle on the backs of the taxpayers still paying an additional half percent sales tax to pay for it.

    And now the Milwaukee Bucks are grumbling that they, too, want a new taxpayer funded arena for their team.  The growling has grown louder with the same old threats to leave, promises of revenues and the game goes on.

    Let em leave!  Go find some suckers somewhere that are willing to pay and pay and pay for decades every time they want to extract even more from taxpayers.

    And what did we "get" for our multimillion dollar new baseball stadium?  No Packer games ever in Milwaukee and a last place baseball team.  Not.  Worth.  A.  Single.  Penny.

    There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

    by Puddytat on Fri Jul 26, 2013 at 12:47:23 PM PDT

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    •  And the Packers themselves are proof... (7+ / 0-)

      That you don't need a billion dollar arena with a retractable dome, and where half the seating is reserved for ultra-luxury skyboxes...  

      That team is (was maybe, it's been a long time since I cared enough to look it up) municipally owned.  The team draws visitors from all across the state who crowd into a stadium built decades ago and freeze their asses off to see the team play.  

      I don't know how profitable the Packers are to Brown County, but it seems to me that if a municipality is going to find itself on the hook for a stadium, it's a good idea to own the fucking team.  At least then, people will notice how absurd it is for the owners of the team to threaten to leave if they don't build themselves a new stadium.  LOL  

      •  The Packers are also proof that (7+ / 0-)

        shred revenue in a league makes a sport more robust and interesting because all teams can afford great players.  A small town team like the Packers becomes the equal of every other team.

        Baseball doesn't share revenue which means that the World Series has the same teams year after year after year with poorer teams never quite getting there because they can't afford the best players.

        There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

        by Puddytat on Fri Jul 26, 2013 at 01:06:14 PM PDT

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      •  Actually, the Packers got a sales tax. (2+ / 0-)

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        The people of Brown County (where Green Bay is located) passed a 0.5% sales tax to help fund the renovation of the stadium in 1990.  To this were added seat-license fees and a stock split/offering of shares in the Packers.  (The Packers is a corporation owned by 112,000 of its fans, with strict rules in its charter to prevent the team's sale or transfer.)  

        "Politics should be the part-time profession of every citizen who would protect the rights and privileges of free people and who would preserve what is good and fruitful in our national heritage." -- Lucille Ball

        by Yamaneko2 on Fri Jul 26, 2013 at 01:16:10 PM PDT

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        •  Yeah, 1990 would be about the time I stopped... (1+ / 0-)
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          ...paying attention.  

          But I have no problem with a sales tax if the people there voted for it.  At least they have a team that won't be holding them hostage every 15 years for another billion dollar stadium with a threat of moving if they don't get it.  

          •  If anything, the NFL is to blame. (0+ / 0-)

            The NFL complaind that Lambeau stadium was getting old.  The cynic in me thinks that the NFL is not happy that there is one football team not in the hold of a fantastically rich individual and that is inseparable from a fairly small city.

            "Politics should be the part-time profession of every citizen who would protect the rights and privileges of free people and who would preserve what is good and fruitful in our national heritage." -- Lucille Ball

            by Yamaneko2 on Sun Jul 28, 2013 at 10:10:08 PM PDT

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      •  Technically the municipality doesn't own the team. (5+ / 0-)

        The team is owned by its fans, who own "shares" of the team which give them voting rights for the Board of Directors. (Nobody's allowed to own more than 200 shares, the share price is fixed at $250/share, and the stocks never pay dividends.)

        It's an absolutely wonderful model for team ownership, since it ensures that every time the team has to choose between making a profit and putting a winning team on the field, it's going to choose a winning team, and the team's never going to threaten to up and leave since the fans are the ones who own it.

        The team is truly operated by and for the fans' benefit, not for the benefit of the owner's wallet.

        Which is, of course, why the NFL banned such an ownership model in the 1980s. (The Packers were grandfathered in.)

        If I were going to make one change to major-league sports in this country, it would be to require that every team transition to this model by requiring any sale of the team to be in the form of shares of team stock, as in the Packers' model.

        "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." --Dom Helder Camara, archbishop of Recife

        by JamesGG on Fri Jul 26, 2013 at 01:41:19 PM PDT

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