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  •  some of us objected to the bush administration... (8+ / 0-)

    inappropriately using information in order to silence dissenting opinions.  some of us would have been just as irritated if the bush admin had inappropriately used non-classified information (tax returns, health records, etc.) in order to suppress dissenting opinions of people legitimately exercising their first amendment rights.

    some will attempt to argue that snowden is using information to harm the government, but that is an assertion that assumes one has a comprehensive knowledge of snowden's intent.  snowden's statements point to a different intent and the government has not alleged a history of snowden attempting to harm the government or any material asserting that intent.

    i'm part of the 99% - america's largest minority

    by joe shikspack on Fri Jul 26, 2013 at 07:17:57 PM PDT

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    •  You're dodging the question. (0+ / 0-)

      You really, really don't want to talk about the Valerie Plame case, do you?

      Art is the handmaid of human good.

      by joe from Lowell on Fri Jul 26, 2013 at 07:22:42 PM PDT

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      •  How is it comparable? (8+ / 0-)

        Snowden leaked information of enormous value to the public, which has sparked a massive debate leading to almost half of Congress voting to end the practice in question.

        Libby leaked to exact revenge on a political enemy of the Bush administration.

        Also, the government commuted Libby's sentence!

      •  Valerie Plame was an agent outed for per (8+ / 0-)

        political malice, of a absolutely no value to the public.

        Snowden gave evidence for secret government activities about which the government has lied and conintues to lie about, such that dozens of organizations have now filed suit.

        So, tell me, what is your lame-ass argument?

        That's Funk, not Fink. Think Guy Fawkes with glide in his stride and pep in his step. Parliament-style. Ka-BOOM! Dude blew my mind.

        by Barton Funk on Fri Jul 26, 2013 at 07:31:08 PM PDT

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        •  He also (1+ / 0-)
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          gave out evidence of the government gathering intelligence on foreign countries, which the government didn't lie about because that's what the NSA does.

          He gave out that evidence not because he saw some huge crime against us that needed to come out, but because he doesn't believe we should spy on countries that we are not at war with.

          That skates the edge of whistleblower - if you out something just because you don't like the policy, you aren't protected.

          It might suck that we spy on Russia or China, and we might not think the NSA should do that, but it's not illegal and it's not a violation of our 4th Amendment rights.

          We can applaud Snowden revealing the NSA gathering our data, but he then proceeded to walk the rest of the classified information - stuff the guardian wouldn't print -  from one regime to another.  

          Snowden is not purely "good" and Holder et al are not purely evil.

          We were just high fiving Holder for going after the Texas voting laws.  Now he's a henchman who can't wait to torture Snowden.

          Nothing in between?  

          Change will not come if we wait for some other person or some other time. We are the ones we've been waiting for. We are the change that we seek. Barack Obama

          by delphine on Sat Jul 27, 2013 at 12:36:23 AM PDT

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      •  i don't mind, if it's germane... (7+ / 0-)

        some of us don't go all wobbly in the knees when somebody says that something is classified, be cause we know that most classified information is inappropriately classified.  further, some of us recognize that some information is classified because disclosure would reveal illegal or improper activity which would be somewhat inconvenient for government officials.

        if someone reveals classified information, i generally have an open mind about whether i should get all excited about it.  why they disclose it is often of far more import than the information itself.

        i'm part of the 99% - america's largest minority

        by joe shikspack on Fri Jul 26, 2013 at 07:35:04 PM PDT

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        •  But some information is (1+ / 0-)
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          classified because it would reveal perfectly legal and proper covert operations, like who we are monitoring in foreign countries.

          Or how the NSA operates.  

          I generally have an open mind as well, but that means I don't automatically assume every leak is heroic or altruistic either.

          Change will not come if we wait for some other person or some other time. We are the ones we've been waiting for. We are the change that we seek. Barack Obama

          by delphine on Sat Jul 27, 2013 at 12:38:34 AM PDT

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