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  •  12th gunshow discharges THIS YEAR. (4+ / 0-)

    I got excoriated last week for asking how it was possible that so many loaded guns are discharged at gun shows and I couldn't find a tally of how often it happened, I was just going on the number of times I'd heard about it recently.
    12 this year.
    I guess, if you put that against the number of gun shows that happen every year, it might be statistically insignificant, but 12 in 7 months, with attendant injuries, is many too many.

    If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

    by CwV on Sun Aug 04, 2013 at 05:53:57 AM PDT

    •  One way to counter arguments based on (3+ / 0-)
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      statistical significance is to ask whether the risk of getting shot by an accidental discharge is worth addressing.

      Perhaps we should focus more on the fact that a fatal gunshot or a serious gunshot injury, is a bad outcome for both the shooter and the victim as well as for all those in the vicinity or in their families, (all those who have to clean up the aftermath).

      Consider the Tylenol tampering case that led to a Nationwide recall, and a total redesign of medicine bottle caps. We now have sealed bottles, child-proof caps, and external shrink wrap seals. All of that to solve a statistically insignificant problem. Why?

      Because public confidence in the safety of medicines was vital to both the health of consumers and the profit potential of companies that make those products.

      If only we could have the same value of public safety with firearms. If we did, we might have a growing public demand for things such as:

      At home firing ranges be subject to permits and constructed to safety standards that ensure no bullets pass through the range, and that discharges from sloppy muzzle handling will also be captured on the gun owner's property.

      IMO, it's not about statistical significance, but about gun owners facing up to their responsibility to express their RKBA without creating a menace for others.

      "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

      by LilithGardener on Sun Aug 04, 2013 at 09:35:59 AM PDT

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    •  Food safety is another counter example (3+ / 0-)
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      Food poisoning is very rare. Most people consume food at least 3 times per day and the incidence of known poisonings is exceedingly small. Yet we invest significant public resources to have in place a network that can quickly trace the source, when outbreaks of food-borne illnesses occur.


      Look at the alternative - See Europe, E.coli, and how it took months and months, far too many deaths, spoiled international trade, before they were able to ensure that contaminated products were withdrawn from market.

      Public confidence in the safety of the food supply, is important for consumers as well as for all those who grow, make, and distribute food and food products.

      When are gun owners going to recognize that their RKBA depends on public safety, actual public safety, and stop pretending that gun control should only focus on urban criminal use of guns?

      "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

      by LilithGardener on Sun Aug 04, 2013 at 09:43:11 AM PDT

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      •  Or car-seat safety (3+ / 0-)
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        Earlier this year, when Russia ended all adoptions by Americans as part of of its tit for tat over the Magnitsky case, some pro-adoption commentators sneered dismissively at the Russians citing the dozen or so of their orphans who have died in the care of the American families who have adopted them. They compared it to the 20,000 successful adoptions over the same period.

        Well, as those of us who had, been trying to call attention to this for a while responded, a car seat that killed 17 out of 20,000 kids who sat in it does not get an A. It gets recalled.

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