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  •  I find your analogies lacking (4+ / 0-)

    can a slim jim bypass an alarm? a coded lock? etc

    even still, I find the analogy lacking because if they stole your car you'd know, but not the info they have access to:

    what snowden and greenwald have brought forward is that

    "these systems allow analysts to listen to whatever emails they want, whatever telephone calls, browsing histories, Microsoft Word documents."

    and there is little to no oversight. Audits are rare.

    Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell. --Edward Abbey

    by greenbastard on Mon Jul 29, 2013 at 09:19:12 AM PDT

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    •  The analogy is only about Greenwald's point. (5+ / 0-)
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      He was making a narrow point about the difference between legal barriers and practical capabilities, and I was pointing out that we constantly use legal barriers to restrict the government from doing what it has the practical capability to do.

      I actually agree with you about process and oversight, but when you get to a discussion about process and the desirability of oversight, you're recognizing that the government will have the practical capability to do something, and that you're using a set of procedural and legal safeguards to limit it.

      Art is the handmaid of human good.

      by joe from Lowell on Mon Jul 29, 2013 at 09:33:06 AM PDT

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      •  for me the data collection overall is (3+ / 0-)
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        problematic on a practical scale, cost, and potential for abuse, let alone the current system as it is, with the dubious twisting of letter of the law which, supposedly allows such and the general lack of accountability.

        Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell. --Edward Abbey

        by greenbastard on Mon Jul 29, 2013 at 11:40:07 AM PDT

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