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  •  Scooter/Snowden (2+ / 0-)
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    Both believed that leaking classified documents was a necessary crime to support a larger patriotic act.

    What can't you follow?

    If you believe it's okay to leak classified docs here, but not here, then WTF is the standard?  Are you God?  Do you get to make these judgments?  Or is there a system at work?  

    •  Was Scooter revealing criminal activity? No? (5+ / 0-)

      But then you knew that.

      Your sole intent was to inflame and fucking derail.  

      That's the only reason you're here.

      Mr. Universe is a known degenerate Robotophile, and his sources include former Browncoat Traitors. What is their agenda in leaking top secret information about the Reavers and endangering us all?

      by JesseCW on Mon Jul 29, 2013 at 10:34:45 AM PDT

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      •  Jesse, Do NOT Feed (9+ / 0-)


        "Information is power. But like all power there are those who want to keep it for themselves" Aaron Swartz, 1986 - 2013
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        by TheMomCat on Mon Jul 29, 2013 at 10:37:30 AM PDT

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      •  What criminal activity has Snowden revealed? (1+ / 0-)
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        Greenwald refuses to show us any evidence that a crime has taken place.

        Everything Snowden leaked was legal under the revised Patriot Act.

        You do realize that the law isn't what you want it to be, it's what it actually is.

        You and I might agree that the law sucks, but it is the law.

        So what crime has taken place that Snowden/Greenwald has revealed?

        Wait, since you can't answer that, better to just call me a fucking troll or something.  I hear that's a very convincing rebuttal.

        •  Take a look at what has happened because of it. (2+ / 0-)
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          Dozens of organizations are suing the NSA, because of what we have learned, because there is now a substantial "paper trail" of evidence for stuff that er mostly only suspected before.

          All of the effort to shine sunlight on these activities.

          The series of lies that prompted, lies quickly retracted and replaced, further exposing the nefariousness of those involved.

          That sunlight revealing even more stuff.

          Because Snowden.

          Serving the public the interest.

          As opposed to those attacking him who are doing exactly the opposite.

          Okay, but how many shits is it worth to you?
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          by Words In Action on Mon Jul 29, 2013 at 01:05:42 PM PDT

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          •  and if the suits are successful (0+ / 0-)

            the government can appeal all the way up the Supreme Court which you have looked at recently right?  Sounds like tilting at windmills if you ask me.  The fix to this without a reasonable Supreme Court is entirely legislative.  Sure seems to me the way to get the legislation change is to ensure the very right wingers that pushed this crap onto us in the first place never again see power.  Denigrating the President and Democratic leaders doesn't exactly get us there.  

            I simply have no clue what all your outrage is accomplishing no matter what the merits.  Scream and yell about the injustice and what is your end game?  Impeach the President?  Elect a bunch of Libertarians?  I just don't get where you go next?  

            •  "Tilting at windmills" is a classic reason (1+ / 0-)
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              why movements "inevitably" require so much "patience" and "endurance" on the part of those doing all the heavy-lifting in the struggle. Because everyone else has a pocketful of such excuses for doing little or nothing.

              Okay, but how many shits is it worth to you?
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              by Words In Action on Tue Jul 30, 2013 at 08:16:25 AM PDT

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              •  Who said we should do nothing? (0+ / 0-)

                I actually like that the ACLU is suing over this although I fear for their timing.  It's off in the courts where it belongs where evidence and truly confidential details that are vital for national security can be presented with the due consideration they require.  This case will be under the radar without reporters sitting in on every proceeding.  Instead on here people are trying to try this issue in public with all the personal agendas, the propaganda and political motivations involved.  Not a thing has been shown to be illegal officially, only this perception that it doesn't square with people's interpretation of the 4th amendment.  But guess what?  None of those perceptions matter.  

                We have a President that has shown himself to care deeply about the country and the truth and many extremely competent and loyal intelligence leaders that weighed the threats against us, their knowledge of the laws, their own perceptions to make the decision to use a debatable technique.  While it may not seem right, we have only the tiniest picture of the whole and many of us put our trust in this current administration in this matter.

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