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  •  They WERE big-government conservatives (2+ / 0-)
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    Upper West, sidnora

    amd their antecedents were very definitely on the left.  Irving Kristol, Norman Podhoretz, Daniel Bell, James Burnham etc etc started out very much as figures of the left.  Not "liberals" and that is likely your interpellation; Trotskyites to be specific.  We saw in more recent years Christopher Hitchens follow almost exactly the same arc.  It's built into the Trotskyite world view somehow.  It's one of the few relevant tasks of the college left to tease out exactly what in Trotskyism drives toward what they call "national greatness conservatism".

    Secret powers: Money, loud English, and The Bomb.

    by ActivistGuy on Fri Aug 02, 2013 at 12:27:17 PM PDT

    •  "Arguing the World" (0+ / 0-)

      Did you see the film or read the book?  It's about the CCNY intellectuals of the '30s (when my Dad was there) and what happened to them -- some, like Kristol and Podhoretz went necon; some neolib? (Nathan Glazer); some moderate left (Daniel Bell).

      The big feud at CCNY was between those Trotskyites and the Stalinists over in the next "alcove" in the Great Hall in the school.  (Don't even start me on the "Lovestoneites.)

      My Dad, was political in the sense of "campus politico -- he hung out at the "House Plan" alcove (sort of fraternities) and was President of the Student Government.  Of course he was a strong Dem.  (He did a puppet show version of Odets' "Waiting for Lefty,")  But he wasn't as lefty as the Trotskyites and Stalinites. ( My mother, on the other hand .  .  .   . )

      The GOP: "You can always go to the Emergency Room."

      by Upper West on Fri Aug 02, 2013 at 12:48:40 PM PDT

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