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  •  You can't really clump them together (5+ / 0-)

    Fundamentalists and the "Prosperity Gospel" folk are not necessarily the same.

    “Texas is a so-called red state, but you’ve got 10 million Democrats here in Texas. And …, there are a whole lot of people here in Texas who need us, and who need us to fight for them.” President Obama

    by Catte Nappe on Mon Aug 05, 2013 at 11:23:42 AM PDT

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    •  I think tht it is fair to saythat many fundies are (5+ / 0-)

      Calvinists and adhere to this line of thinking.

      To be free and just depends on us. Victor Hugo.

      by dizzydean on Mon Aug 05, 2013 at 11:31:31 AM PDT

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      •  Too fast at the keyboard for my own good. n/t (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        jessical, defluxion10

        To be free and just depends on us. Victor Hugo.

        by dizzydean on Mon Aug 05, 2013 at 11:38:53 AM PDT

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      •  Calvinists don't go for the prosperity gospel (6+ / 0-)

        This paraphrase:

        Therefore, it is wrong to infer from prosperity that God is favorable toward us, and from suffering that God is angry. For God does not consider in chastening the faithful what they deserve but rather what will be useful to them in the future. He fulfills the office of a physician rather than of a judge. Suffering often brings us to the end of our rope, so we will look to God in Christ for our safety.
        http://www.christianitytoday.com/...

        Or, directly from Calvin himself

        Nevertheless, while life for believers may be easy today, they will be ready tomorrow to endure whatever afflictions God may send them. He may, perhaps, take from them the goods he has given. They are prepared to surrender them, since they know they received them on one condition–that they should hand them back whenever God should choose. The believer reasons this way: “Rich today, poor tomorrow. If God should change my circumstances so that ease gives way to suffering and laughter to tears, it is enough to know that I am still his child. He has promised to acknowledge me always as his, and in that I rest content.”
        To be rich, to be glad, to be satisfied is to be drunk on prosperity and to live the life of senseless beasts. If we are comfortably off, it is not so that we may cover ourselves with gold and silver, or boast of owning fields and meadows, like those whose goal in life is to have everything they want. Those kinds of people are as good as dead: they bury themselves in their perishable possessions and are incapable of seeing heaven above.
        http://thegospelcoalition.org/...

        Joel Osteen and his peers don't care for any of that hardship stuff.

        “Texas is a so-called red state, but you’ve got 10 million Democrats here in Texas. And …, there are a whole lot of people here in Texas who need us, and who need us to fight for them.” President Obama

        by Catte Nappe on Mon Aug 05, 2013 at 11:46:00 AM PDT

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        •  Sure, but you'll find Calvinism among Baptists (5+ / 0-)

          who are also considered fundamentalist.  It gets messy pretty quickly, though in trying to sort out who believes what and why.  If we're just talking about a literal interpretation of the Bible, you've got a lot of Calvinists who are there; if it's about predestination leading to the idea of "God showing his love for the elect in this world," a lot of fundies are in that category.

          To be free and just depends on us. Victor Hugo.

          by dizzydean on Mon Aug 05, 2013 at 11:55:28 AM PDT

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        •  here in Seattle... (4+ / 0-)

          ...we have real Calvinists...or at least, they consider themselves such.  The outcome is preordained.  I flip them off every time I go past their ever-larger church buildings, but they definitely
           have that hair shirt thing down, in a feel-good-American kind of way:

          http://www.christianpost.com/...

          I think this is kind of like picking between velveeta and safeway processed cheese slices, myself...

          ...j'ai découvert que tout le malheur des hommes vient d'une seule chose, qui est de ne savoir pas demeurer en repos dans une chambre.

          by jessical on Mon Aug 05, 2013 at 12:24:04 PM PDT

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