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    artmartin

    you are way to glib about the significance of the poll, and/or have misread the diary and my comments.

    The poll does not say that the 51% are dominionists or anything like them, but that a large fraction of those who think that the Constitution makes the U.S. a Christian nation are non-evangelicals and even liberals.

    What this suggests is that 1) we have a lot of work to do and 2) there is less resistance to dominionist ideas because of this than one might wish for.  These are but two of the  many 'so whats" one might consider in light of what I actually wrote and what Haynes actually said.   I said nothing about dominionists getting a majority and that is not what the poll is about.

    •  What I Think (0+ / 0-)

      Like I said, I don't think the 51% actually think of "America is a Christian nation" as part of Dominionism. I think it's the softest possible correlation, and not at all support. If they knew anything about Dominionism and were asked if that was the Christian nation, they'd say even more strongly that it isn't.

      Which doesn't mean Dominionism isn't a very real threat. It just means that poll isn't as meaningful as you're making it out. Which means Dominionism isn't nearly as close to any point of no return as we might fear.

      And all of which means if we could inform Americans of the real threat of Dominionism, probably a lot fewer than 51% would say "yes", America's a Christian nation - because they'd know what that means.

      "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

      by DocGonzo on Thu Aug 15, 2013 at 04:04:36 PM PDT

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      •  I think (0+ / 0-)

        you are being argumentative but don't really have an argument.  

        I made no correlation between the poll and dominionism -- you did -- apparently for the purpose of saying that there is no correlation.  Its a straw man. My point is different.

        •  I'll Make It Simple (0+ / 0-)

          No, it's no straw man.

          You asked if there is a Christian nationalist majority in America, and answered "yes, as this poll shows".

          I answered "no, that poll doesn't mean there's a Christian nationalist majority, it means Americans are stupid".

          You replied "but that's because you don't know the danger of Christian nationalism"

          I replied "yes, indeed I do know about Dominionism, but it's not as dire as you're making this poll out to be to support it."

          You are the one being merely argumentative. You are insisting this poll means America has a majority of Christian nationalists, but it doesn't. I am agreeing with you about the threat, but not about this "evidence" of it.

          Now you're insulting, while being stubbornly wrong. Goodbye.

          "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

          by DocGonzo on Thu Aug 15, 2013 at 08:33:21 PM PDT

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          •  Let's go to tape (0+ / 0-)

            For anyone still paying attention, regarding your original comment.   It was, to be generous less than clear, made a series of unlikely and unsubstantiated presumptions about the poll and the respondents, and right out of the box was unnecessarily combative towards me.

             So? (0+ / 0-)

            So what? Even the Christians in this country don't agree on what's Christian. Americans are just taught to pass tests, so "Christian nation" feels like the right answer since "not Christian" seems vaguely threatening to Christians, so they say it is. All 51% means is "slightly more reliable than flipping a coin". Polls within 5 points or so of 50% mean that the poll is unable to answer the question meaningfully.

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