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  •  Puzzled at this statement: (4+ / 0-)
    But none of them specify any alternative to Obama, or to the Obama administration -- and by this point it's really too late, so there is no use in griping.
    Pointing out mistakes, even if one can't define a clear alternative based on the data at hand, is still worthwhile.

    This monomania for "looking ahead instead of looking back" was an early sign that we voters hadn't listened as closely as we should have.  None of the true villains of the Iraq-Afghanistan-Pakistan and financial frauds would ever be exposed and held to account.

    How else do we learn to do better or decide differently in the future, if we don't admit to what was done wrong in the past?

    True, it may be 'too late', in that we are in the 2nd term of a legitimately elected president, but that doesn't mean we can't learn from our own mistakes -- even if there's no chance to reverse the past acts of this administration.  There were appeals and arguments that we should have met with more skepticism.  We are wiser now.  

    And many of us are also very sad.

    Live and learn.  And hold the anger and cynicism at bay as long as possible.

    (-7.62,-7.33) Carbon footprint 11.3 metric tons. l'Enfer, c'est les autres.

    by argomd on Sat Aug 17, 2013 at 06:24:52 PM PDT

    •  OK, so let's look forward. (2+ / 0-)
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      Who is going to challenge Hillary Clinton in '16?

      "Exxon’s CEO was recently quoted as saying, ‘What good is it to save the planet if humanity suffers?’, as if the future of humanity could be separated from the ecosystems on which we depend." -- Charlotte Wilson

      by Cassiodorus on Sat Aug 17, 2013 at 06:30:56 PM PDT

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      •  I'm not clairvoyant. But... (1+ / 0-)
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        I'm listening carefully for sounds of wisdom from those who have a documented history of acting their principles -- and whose general political bent seems much like my own.

        Am I useless because I haven't decided on the perfect candidate 2+ years ahead of time?  

        (-7.62,-7.33) Carbon footprint 11.3 metric tons. l'Enfer, c'est les autres.

        by argomd on Sat Aug 17, 2013 at 06:41:39 PM PDT

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        •  Acting on principles is great! (0+ / 0-)

          If you want to win the Presidency, though, you can do the math: how many staff offices in how many states to win how many popular votes.  Remember, because of the Electoral College a Presidential election is actually 50 separate elections, so do your fundraising early!

          "Exxon’s CEO was recently quoted as saying, ‘What good is it to save the planet if humanity suffers?’, as if the future of humanity could be separated from the ecosystems on which we depend." -- Charlotte Wilson

          by Cassiodorus on Sat Aug 17, 2013 at 06:45:33 PM PDT

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          •  Of course, tho' I detect the cynicism... (0+ / 0-)

            that can lead to utter alienation from the system.  Knowing that financial and ugly political calculus enters into the process is inescapable.

            Deciding that those considerations always greatly outweigh policy considerations seems to me just a recipe for apathy.

            After all, if they are all just lying to get power, Democrat or Republican, then what's the point?

            At the grand age of 62, having voted since I first became eligible, I'd rather remain a tad naïve than sink into cynicism or despair, or admit to utter powerlessness.

            Call it a weakness.

            Call it an aversion to manichaeism.

            (-7.62,-7.33) Carbon footprint 11.3 metric tons. l'Enfer, c'est les autres.

            by argomd on Sat Aug 17, 2013 at 06:55:52 PM PDT

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      •  Other than Elizabeth Warren, I've got no clue (2+ / 0-)
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        Howard Dean?

        Here's the thing, though, as long as we're doing a deeper analysis of politics and stripping away superficialities:  what does that question even mean when we really need to be asking "Can any individual who enters the Presidency get us off this course we're on?" "Has the Bush/Cheney/Rove administration permanently changed/damaged the Presidency?" "What do we do if the rule of law is truly, seriously broken?" "Who does our government answer to, and can we get it to answer to us?"

        Ou sont les neigedens d'antan?

        by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sat Aug 17, 2013 at 07:44:41 PM PDT

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