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  •  That was Empire (8+ / 0-)

    The book that comes with a philosophical screach at the end, explaining why people who aren't him are evil. I read that, and felt a profound sense of loss over the corrupting of my childhood memories of enjoying Enders Game.

    I dropped his books into a box in the basement, and stopped engaging. At some point authors stop being able to prevent their crazy from seeping into their stories, and Empire was his Rainbow Six.

    It is better to be making the news than taking it; to be an actor rather than a critic. - WSC

    by Solarian on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 12:25:58 PM PDT

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    •  Rainbow Six (4+ / 0-)
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      I always wondered if it was me suddenly waking up to his politics or whether he stopped trying to hide them, but that's exactly where I stopped reading Clancy as well.

      •  It was when he stopped caring (3+ / 0-)
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        There's a fair amount of Flat Tax fiscal conservative BS in Executive Orders, etc, but you knew Ryan was a conservative to begin with. It was part of his character, so his policies made sense in light of that and residual good will allowed me to not care.

        Then enviromentalists are all bioterrorists was published. Sharks were jumped, and I felt better about moving on.

        Also, as football season is almost upon us, he's a Vikings fan, so I was always destined to stop respecting him. Thus ends the gratutitous football trolling.

        It is better to be making the news than taking it; to be an actor rather than a critic. - WSC

        by Solarian on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 01:18:01 PM PDT

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        •  I should downrate you... (2+ / 0-)
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          ....for being so anti-Vikings.

          •  :) (2+ / 0-)
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            Or uprate for levity.  Although I'm no longer bemused by football craziness; there's way too much money being ripped out of taxpayer wallets to support Lifestyles of the Rich and Infamous.

            This whole discussion is interesting.  I'm in general agreement with the reaction that nutjob politics can really turn people off an entire body of work.

            Can someone think of writers who went off the deep end in the "other direction" (for want of a better term). Although I'm not sure what that would consist of.  In the current climate, a work which emphasized democracy would probably be portrayed as insane radicalism.

            I am become Man, the destroyer of worlds

            by tle on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 07:31:00 PM PDT

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            •  ;) (2+ / 0-)
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              Heh, I like the Vikings but I'm not a crazed fan. Attempts to extort new Stadiums by the Vikings and Twins (and I AM a crazed fan about the Twins) are little short of robbery.

              I'm not sure if Card really went off the deep end. I mean as a Mormon he probably always felt the way he does about social issues. Maybe he just decided to take his life-jacket off?

              As for going the other way, I can't really think of any. I tend to prefer the fantasy genre, and that can be rather conservative. On the other hand, I have known authors to switch writing styles but that's usually attributable to a personal change rather than a political overhaul. I think TVtropes does actually list a few examples from the left in their creator on board or related entries.

            •  I'm sure there are some crazy leftist SF writers (0+ / 0-)

              out there.

              Can't think of any offhand, though, except maybe later Norman Spinrad.

              The thing about quotes on the internet is you cannot confirm their validity. ~Abraham Lincoln

              by raboof on Tue Aug 20, 2013 at 08:26:19 AM PDT

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            •  SF people tend to lean libertarian (1+ / 0-)
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              so if a SF novelist went 'off the deep end' to the left, the most likely result would be a large pile of anarchist manifestos. I can't think of any who have actually done that, though. Can't think of any SF writers with piles of right-libertarian screeds either.

              That's not really surprising, since anarchist/libertarian political writing is basically science fiction dressed up as philosophy, so it's more fun to just keep writing the real thing. (I'm a left-libertarian SF lover myself so I can say that :)

              Traditional lefties are rare among SF novelists. If we broaden our search to include fantasy, though, we pick up a fair number of traditional liberal feminists. That means in theory we could see someone go 'off the deep end' into the crazy side of radical feminism and start pushing lesbian separatism and/or Janice-Raymond-style transphobic asshattery. Again, it hasn't happened. And I don't think it's very likely.

              If we broaden the search some more to include SF screenwriters, we start to have more luck; the film industry is more traditionally liberal. Here, I think our best bet would be Neill Blomkamp. Everything he's done has been liberal, but his latest film, Elysium, is literally promoting revolutionary socialism. I do mean literally.

              But he still doesn't quite qualify for Card equivalency. He fails on two counts:

              First, while Elysium is so far left it's off the map of American politics, it's not actually batshit crazy; he's not pushing a Maoist/Stalinist regime or anything. Just, you know, forcibly taking over the government, confiscating the wealth of the 0.01% and distributing equal shares of it to everyone on the planet, and also free universal healthcare.

              Second, I don't think he's written any substantive political commentary outside of his fiction.

              So basically the answer is "no, not so far, at least not in the SFverse. You might have more luck in the literary fiction section."

              "Let’s just move on, treat everybody with firmness, fairness, dignity, compassion and respect. Let’s be Marines." - Sgt. Maj Michael Barrett on DADT repeal

              by kyril on Tue Aug 20, 2013 at 01:29:04 PM PDT

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          •  Hey (1+ / 0-)
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            I said it was gratuitous football trolling. So I beg you to take it in the jesting manner in which it was stated, and then we can all get together an mock the Lions.

            Wait, Detroits going though enough crap right now... Tampa, they used to be in our division. We'll mock Tampa.

            Now on to the serious part:
            And keep up the no public funding push, that I completely respect and am glad that someone is standing up on that.

            It is better to be making the news than taking it; to be an actor rather than a critic. - WSC

            by Solarian on Tue Aug 20, 2013 at 07:37:56 AM PDT

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    •  Or like Crichton with "State of Fear." (5+ / 0-)

      I prefer Crichton in his Jurassic Park days, before he began trying to give intellectual cover for the James Inhofes of the world.

      •  The Andromeda Strain is silly (5+ / 0-)
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        but it has some suspense.

        Jurassic Park is just insulting. To all of the characters, to the dinosaurs, but most of all to the reader or the movie viewer. Because the only question apart from how the children can possibly survive both the raptors and the T. Rex is how badly almost every character can screw up, and how badly everything else can go wrong before the reader/viewer asks, "Why do I care about this?"

        Dud science, dud technology, dud software, above all dud security. The Chernobyl of SF movies.

        Where was Gojira, friend of children, when we needed him?

        Ceterem censeo, gerrymandra delenda est

        by Mokurai on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 07:51:58 PM PDT

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        •  Andromeda Strain (4+ / 0-)
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          Loved the Movie -- one of a long string of campy science fiction/special effects of the early 70s. :)

          Bigotry, prejudice and social "conservatism" always fail. Always.FloydA

          by Simolean on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 09:24:32 PM PDT

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        •  Pfft. Took me less than a half-hour of the film. (3+ / 0-)

          "Jurassic" was on TV. After about 20 minutes of that first scene, I turned off the set and said "I don't care if ANY of these people survive. And I don't care if they're eaten by awesome-looking dinosaurs or fall in a hole, I'm not watching another minute of these tedious jerks."

          I'm a writer. I cannot be bribed with pretty shiny SFX in lieu of a plot and characters. (It's one of the reasons I adore old British SF like Tom Baker-era Dr. Who, Blake's 7 and the like - they didn't have money for cool effects, sets or costumes so they had to make us CARE about those cheesy cardboard-outfit critters with storytelling and character development.)

          P.S. I think "friend of children" was Gamera's schtick, but most Japanese monsters had a soft spot for that one four-year-old boy in short pants and a baseball cap.

          Thank God, the Bob Fosse Kid is here! - Colin Mochrie

          by gardnerhill on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 11:36:54 PM PDT

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    •  Empire is the book I stoped reading him at as well (3+ / 0-)
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      It is very sad that he has gone the way he has.  I have very fond memories of his earlier books.  Most especially Ender's Game and Speaker for the Dead.

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