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  •  The real privacy concern to me is content. (6+ / 0-)

    I understand there may be a privacy concern re metadata, but it is less than content, and, if the metadata is essentially annonymous until an actual search (based on some analogy of a search warrant or probable cause) that is even less of a concern.

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    by TomP on Thu Aug 22, 2013 at 10:21:25 AM PDT

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    •  Domestic content needs a warrant requested by the (1+ / 0-)
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      FBI. These are individual warrants. Nationwide the police get hundreds of thousands of these warrants every year, including the FBI. But the FBI terrorism warrant request number in the hundreds. NSA can get content for purely overseas content not involving Americans.

      Further, affiant sayeth not. 53959

      by Gary Norton on Fri Aug 23, 2013 at 07:28:47 AM PDT

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      •  Hey Gary Norton! (2+ / 0-)
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        Gary Norton, Kevskos

        In a similar vein, there were a spate of diaries in the last month or so dealing with the eleventy-billion-trillion requests for records made by all law enforcement to telephone and wireless companies each year, apparently to drum up the total surveillance state meme.

        The thing is, those requests for telephone records occur for many litigation purposes, both criminal and civil. For example, whenever there's a 911 hangup, the police have an emergency exception to get the address of the cellphone user from the wireless company. How many times per day do the police need to respond to 911 hangups around the country? In New York City alone? Moreover, whenever there is a cellphone at the scene of any alleged major felony crime, and when is there not nowadays, then both the prosecution and defense will subpoena those records. I've subpoenaed so many I can't count!  

        Rand Paul is to civil liberties as the Disney Channel is to subtle and nuanced acting.

        by Tortmaster on Fri Aug 23, 2013 at 09:59:18 AM PDT

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        •  Yup. It is difficult to (1+ / 0-)
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          engage some people because there is little interest in their understanding the programs and how they fit in context. The NSA isn't even doing stuff that the police and private litigants do very day. The common response is that everyone is lying.

          Also, folks watch TV shows where the authorities use techniques, many of which aren't really available today, and don't give them a second thought.

          Further, affiant sayeth not. 53959

          by Gary Norton on Fri Aug 23, 2013 at 10:10:12 AM PDT

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