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  •  I agree with TomP, ... (5+ / 0-)
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    ... that's a very good point, kharma. The difference has to be anonymous metadata versus content. That would be an excellent bill to write and pass through Congress.

    By the way, it's been years since I've had my mind blown quite as spectacularly as reading your comment this morning in the other diary, kharma. I'm talking awesome, kinda creepy, do a double-take, freaked-out karma, baby!  ; )  

    Rand Paul is to civil liberties as the Disney Channel is to subtle and nuanced acting.

    by Tortmaster on Thu Aug 22, 2013 at 10:43:17 AM PDT

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    •  There is no such thing as anonymous meta (8+ / 0-)

      data.  The meta data is about certain data.  That data is our internet traffic, notes, e-mails and banking data.

      Patriotism may be the last refuge of scoundrels, but religion is assuredly the first.

      by StrayCat on Thu Aug 22, 2013 at 03:22:01 PM PDT

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      •  I love the diarist's calming assertion (5+ / 0-)

        that the phone numbers one calls are "anonymous," as if the NSA has never heard of a reverse directory.

        Let the 28th Amendment be one to amend the amendment process itself. Then, perhaps, we can transform our Constitution into a living document. (Who CARES what the Founders thought of digital data gathering?)

        by WisePiper on Thu Aug 22, 2013 at 08:31:10 PM PDT

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        •  There are rules that ... (3+ / 0-)
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          ... prohibit doing that without getting a warrant. Those rules are even mentioned in the opinion. If an analyst wants to lose his or her job, go to jail and pay hefty fines, it can obviously happen, but it is not allowed. Moreover, there are audits to make sure that it doesn't happen. (I don't recall that being in the opinion, but I have posted regulations for similar programs that have that safeguard.)

          Rand Paul is to civil liberties as the Disney Channel is to subtle and nuanced acting.

          by Tortmaster on Thu Aug 22, 2013 at 08:58:40 PM PDT

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          •  I think one of the key issues is, and has (6+ / 0-)

            been, the near certainty that at least a few of the hundreds of thousands of analysts and at least a few of the thousands of system admins, most privately employed under NSA contract, are both corruptible enough and capable enough to find and sell data that could be effectively used for blackmail and coercion of public officials. History is stark testament to the fact that someone will try anything for the right price, and, distressingly often, will get away with it (for at least as long as is necessary to do irreversible damage).

            Let the 28th Amendment be one to amend the amendment process itself. Then, perhaps, we can transform our Constitution into a living document. (Who CARES what the Founders thought of digital data gathering?)

            by WisePiper on Thu Aug 22, 2013 at 09:44:43 PM PDT

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          •  there are rules against torture (7+ / 0-)

            I seem to recall something called Abu Ghraib

            If the US Govt is willing to let the Army work
            with the IC to rape or torture children,
            do you think they are willing to let some desk jockey
            snoop around at will or into the emails of
            some PITA ournalist?

            Rules are meaningless unless enforced.

            Can you show me how many people are fired for
            breaching the rules?

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