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  •  Like I said... (4+ / 0-)
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    ...I stand with the American patriot, Dan Ellsberg.  He followed these events a lot more closely than you or I.  He's spoken about his support for Manning.  He released documents which were classified at a higher security clearance designation than did Manning, during a time when we were at war. Thousands of pages.

    I love how you speak of Manning's indiscriminate release of information.  Do you know what indiscriminate means?  Maybe you could use that word when referring to how certain documents are classified in the first place.  Or how some in our military kill innocent people -- and get away with it.  Or how our political leaders lie and hide all that incriminates them in war crimes.  There is no real sense of perspective or proportion in your comments.  

    So, if it were all or nothing, I'd accept all based on what the pertinent documents revealed about our actions in Iraq and Afghanistan.  You see, what Manning revealed to the world confirmed my objections to entering into wars in those countries in the first place.

    I do blame you.  These are facts that you are constantly attempting to gloss over by ridiculously focusing on and exaggerating the rather minor infractions of Manning.

    all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.

    by 4kedtongue on Thu Aug 22, 2013 at 12:44:12 PM PDT

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    •  Deference to authority is great (1+ / 0-)
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      except when it makes you refuse to address a simple point, or pretend to not know what "indiscriminate" means.  

      ridiculously focusing on and exaggerating the rather minor infractions of Manning.
      Well, it's a diary about Manning's sentence, but if you'd rather focus on "war crimes", you might start with naming them and describing them in a diary of your own, rather than offhandly state that they occurred in a way that pretends I have to defer to you in the slavish way you defer to what you think Ellsberg thinks.

      I googled "confirmation bias" and Daily Kos raided my house! And and and smashed my hard drives! Ask CNN, it's all truthy!

      by Inland on Thu Aug 22, 2013 at 12:49:30 PM PDT

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      •  It's not my job to... (4+ / 0-)
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        ...slavishly submit to your asinine suggestion.

        Educate yourself, Inland:

        http://www.theguardian.com/...

        http://www.theguardian.com/...

        And as far as Manning's sentence goes, chew on this:

        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

        Deference to authority?  Do you actually read what you write before you post it?  You must realize that it's YOU who defers to authority, not me.

        all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.

        by 4kedtongue on Thu Aug 22, 2013 at 12:57:16 PM PDT

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        •  Yeah, it's wrong to defer to authority (1+ / 0-)
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          if your a PFC in the army.  Bad bad bad bad.

          It's wrong to defer to the findings of a court martial.  

          Now, deferring to the Guardian....good good good good.

          And "it's good enough for Daniel Ellsberg it's good enough for me" isn't slavish submission.  

          Given that you've already loaded your deference in a way that shows you've got no interest in anything other than your own biases, I don't really care for your research project trying to find something you'll listen to.

          I googled "confirmation bias" and Daily Kos raided my house! And and and smashed my hard drives! Ask CNN, it's all truthy!

          by Inland on Thu Aug 22, 2013 at 03:14:57 PM PDT

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          •  Wow. Haha. (1+ / 0-)
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            The links are to the Iraq / Afghan War Logs.  They can also be read in The New York Times and Der Speigel.

            Manning, like ALL whistleblowers, broke the law.  I haven't questioned the legitimacy of the prosecution.  I have questioned, repeatedly, Manning's treatment while in custody AND what I consider to be, when put in the perspective of the crimes Manning exposed, the excessive sentence meted out.

            Deference to an 'authority' like Ellsberg (translated:  EXPERT) is a little different than deference to Authority -- the boot-licking variety you engage in.

            all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.

            by 4kedtongue on Thu Aug 22, 2013 at 03:30:56 PM PDT

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