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  •  The UN is its member states... (0+ / 0-)

    There is no "UN" apart from the collection of member states that make up its membership.  When a consensus or agreement is reached then it becomes a "UN" action.

    Bush action in the UN was blocked not by "the UN" but by specific nations, e.g. France, China, Russia, Turkey, that for their own national interests disagreed with what he proposed.  They prevented a UN consensus of support for Bush to act.

    Yes, we should observe our agreements.  But "agreements" when it comes to spying are sort of like jay walking laws.  Everyone has laws against spying against everyone.  Some even have agreements.  Everyone breaks them.  Everyone.

    I would bet the one with the UN was suggested by some member states with people working at the UN who would like to have it in hand for just such a situation as the one now.

    Remember, we are not spying on "the UN" per se, but rather on people from the member states that make it up.  It is no better, or worse, to read a Russian email if he is in Moscow or seconded to the UN in NY.  He or she is a national of that country, not a "UN citizen."

    As I said, ultimately if we decide no one in the US government should eavesdrop

    "Hidden in the idea of radical openness is an allegiance to machines instead of people." - Jaron Lanier

    by FDRDemocrat on Mon Aug 26, 2013 at 03:32:34 AM PDT

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    •  Ooops... (0+ / 0-)

      (cut off my last sentence inadvertently)

      ...if we decide no one in the US Government should listen in on any foreigners without their consent, we can defund the US intelligence establishment.  But we need to then be prepared for the consequences.

      "Hidden in the idea of radical openness is an allegiance to machines instead of people." - Jaron Lanier

      by FDRDemocrat on Mon Aug 26, 2013 at 03:34:31 AM PDT

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    •  I'm not saying we shouldn't spy. (0+ / 0-)

      The NSA can spy on countries like Iran, Russia, China, Pakistan, etc. 24/7 for all I care.

      We should not be bugging the offices, telephones, and videoconference links of democratic allies and the U.N., though.

      That, quite frankly, does more harm than good.

      "A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle" - Mohammed Nabbous, R.I.P.

      by Lawrence on Mon Aug 26, 2013 at 09:22:45 AM PDT

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