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  •  activists would do well to understand Maslow's (16+ / 0-)

    Hierarchy.

    Most of the things that are terribly important to activists, don't matter a rat's ass to plain ole ordinary people.

    Which leaves us with two choices--we can either (1) listen to real people and what their concerns and needs are, or (2) lecture those people about how stupid they are because they don't care about the things that we activists care about.

    One of those is helpful.  One is not.

    •  At the same time, no one is going to be in your (6+ / 0-)

      coalition if you ignore the issues they consider critical.

      There is no poo-pooing concern about torching the 4th amendment and being taken seriously when 3-5% of the potential voting pool bolts to a third party and another 3-5% just doesn't show up.

      It's one or the other.  If their concerns aren't addressed, they haven't got a reason to stay in a coalition.

      Same as people driven primarily about concerns about jobs - a coalition cannot stay together by ignoring any of its constituencies.

      This is not, in any way, advocacy for any third party.  It's a statement that when peoples needs aren't addressed they're going to move on, and it is advocacy for the Democratic Party to not continue failing to address those needs.

      Mr. Universe is a known degenerate Robotophile, and his sources include former Browncoat Traitors. What is their agenda in leaking top secret information about the Reavers and endangering us all?

      by JesseCW on Mon Aug 26, 2013 at 03:23:32 AM PDT

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      •  Nor are many going to be in yours if... (3+ / 0-)
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        ...they're told that their desire to take a cautious approach when it comes to believing the daily headlines (because so many have looked awfully different 24 hours later and they think getting to the real truth is too important to take lightly) makes them bootlickers, authoritarians, useful idiots, stupid, willfully ignorant, agents of the fascist state, agents provacateurs, trolls, suspiciously creepy, or any of the myriad insults I've seen written about people who very well may agree with you on 98% of things.

        No, you can't fix stupid. You OUTNUMBER stupid. -Wildthumb, 1/10/2013

        by newinfluence on Mon Aug 26, 2013 at 06:55:13 AM PDT

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        •  Yes. They will. They're obedient. (0+ / 0-)

          They follow orders from whoever they perceive to be the strongest leader.

          They certainly get offended and butt hurt, but they'll show up and do what they're told.

          Every time.

          Mr. Universe is a known degenerate Robotophile, and his sources include former Browncoat Traitors. What is their agenda in leaking top secret information about the Reavers and endangering us all?

          by JesseCW on Mon Aug 26, 2013 at 10:16:59 PM PDT

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    •  Actually, I always keep Maslow in mind. (2+ / 0-)
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      The problem is that most people aren't ever shown why the things they 'don't give a rat's ass' about directly impact their ability to survive, or the course of their lives.

      I'm not going to 'lecture anyone' about how stupid they are - but I'm willing to tell them why those things actually matter if they want to climb the pyramid a few steps.

      •  Those things matter IF you've satisfied (4+ / 0-)
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        first and second tier needs.

        If you need it to keep your kids alive, you'll eat your seedcorn.

        •  exactly. the ideological stuff may be vitally (2+ / 0-)
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          important to activists (who are all idealists to begin with), but they don't matter diddley-shit to people who don't have jobs, can't eat every day, have no hope for an education for their kids, and may lose their house any day now. Tell them "the government is spying on your emails !!!" and they'll just shrug (as we can see just by looking around). They have far more immediate problems to worry about.

          That is the difference between "idealism" and "the real world". And the real world always comes first.  

          That is also why revolutions never happen when people are in the lowest deepest nadir of crushing poverty--people are simply too busy trying to stay alive in times like that.  Revolutions happen AFTERWARDS when things are getting better--but not getting better quickly enough.

          •  I've been an activist for 40 years but I'm no (1+ / 0-)
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            idealist.

            It seems plain to me that, generally speaking, people are as good or bad as material circumstances allow. Three hots and a cot trump ideals for most folks who don't have them.

            Are there exceptions? Sure but that's the point. They are exceptions, not the rule.

            If the social/political changes we need have to rely on a mass upwelling of idealism overcoming people's instinct for survival, we have a long wait ahead.

            Nothing human is alien to me.

            by WB Reeves on Mon Aug 26, 2013 at 04:51:32 PM PDT

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        •  That's my point. (0+ / 0-)

          That government works, and how it works, is essential to making sure you don't simply have to eat the seedcorn.

    •  or 3) Fund the needs of real people (0+ / 0-)

      instead of funding the SMIC.  

      Heavens, haven't you been around the very serious people in the Democratic Party wearing very serious faces and all reciting the very same very serious words about how we must cut the deficit, inflict austerity on the underserving middle class and continue shoveling money at the SMIC.  

    •  Love that (2+ / 0-)
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      I've long know and referenced Maslow but making the connection between political priorities and Maslow is excellent.  


      So next time I disagree with someone about political priorities I can just tell them that they're just working on their own self actualization.  

      I'm not liberal. I'm actually just anti-evil, OK? - Elon James White

      by Satya1 on Mon Aug 26, 2013 at 09:05:48 AM PDT

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