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  •  Actually I DO consider Health and Social Security (2+ / 0-)
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    twigg, SouthernLiberalinMD

    more important than the NSA.

    But you see, Twigg, I have this problem.  The Democratic Party wants to cut Social Security.  And many in the centrist coalition want to cut Medicare even raise the eligibility age.  

    If I was not so outraged at the centrists in the party and their agenda to slash both Social Security and Medicare it would be ever so much easier to get me to look the other way on NSA.

    But since the Democratic President's budget includes cuts to Social Security and since the Democratic Minority Leader in the House agrees, I am mad as hell and I do not have their backs when I find out they are spending the money we need for programs like Medicare and Social Security on black budgets for the G.D. NSA.

    Want my support?  Take cuts off the table.  Because I'm not going to go out and do GOTV and LIE to senior citizens in my neighborhood.

    •  I agree with that, but I'm willing to (1+ / 0-)
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      Medium Head Boy

      put all that aside for this, because I still consider domestic spying worse than all of that.  I've tried to explain a few different times now why that is.  

      I'm willing to look the other way on all the rest of Obama's deficiencies as a president if it helps us get past the roxer/suxer debate to the debate over how we can maintain a democracy that works while spying on our citizens.  Obama will be gone in three years, bless his heart, and we'll get some new president, but whoever we get will probably be part of the same problem, too, because this is an institution with a proven ability to wag the tail of the Whitehouse.

    •  I don't think anyone (2+ / 0-)
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      greenbell, Sylv

      in the Democratic Party "wants" to cut Social Security.

      I have no idea why the President feels it necessary to even be willing to entertain such a discussion.

      Sometimes I worry that he doesn't see the wood for the trees. It is not necessary to get a bipartisan agreement on Social Security, it is only necessary to push for an increase in benefits, and stick the GOP with the pain of refusing.

      I don't think this Admin is very good at chess.

      I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
      but I fear we will remain Democrats.

      Who is twigg?

      by twigg on Mon Aug 26, 2013 at 08:37:31 AM PDT

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      •  Erskine Bowles, Clinton's Chief of Staff. (0+ / 0-)

        He's part of that whole third way thinking of the moderate Dems that Obama appointed to the Catfood Commission.  

        There are a lot of Democrats that want to cut Social Security.  It's playing games with language to say that it's not "wanting to," like it's icky medicine but somebody's got to administer it.  Icky or not, they WANT to administer that icky medicine for what they consider to be noble and lofty reasons.  

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