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  •  Protest of one, right here. (5+ / 0-)

    Ignore my tiny little protest as you please.  I certainly feel entitled to ignore your unbridled support for the crap that is going on at the NSA.  

    Actually, I really believe there will come a day when you find out enough that has been going on that you feel ashamed for not having been more skeptical and not taking a stand against it sooner.  But that remains to be seen.

    •  So i have 'unbridled support for the crap' because (1+ / 0-)
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      I pointed out that your objection does not change reality?

      That's really the way to win hearts and minds.

      While you dream of Utopia, we're here on Earth, getting things done.

      by GoGoGoEverton on Mon Aug 26, 2013 at 08:53:40 AM PDT

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    •  Ashamed, no, but probably pretty unhappy (1+ / 0-)
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      once a Republican gets in office. And one almost certainly will, at some point during our lifetimes.

      The party of Kennedy is also the party of Eastland. The party of Javits is also the party of Goldwater. Where is our party? Where is the political party that will make it unnecessary to march on Washington?

      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Mon Aug 26, 2013 at 09:18:19 AM PDT

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    •  Dumbo, please present evidence for your (1+ / 0-)
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      allegation of "unbridled support for the crap that is going on at the NSA."

      Thanks in advance.

      Nothing human is alien to me.

      by WB Reeves on Mon Aug 26, 2013 at 04:56:13 PM PDT

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      •  That seems to be his position, (1+ / 0-)
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        although I'd gladly be corrected on that if you or he want to elaborate.  I formed this impression from reading his various posts in the NSA domestic spying pro-con diaries.

        Hey, if I thought the government was always trustworthy and would never be concerned with anything but my safety and never exceed its authority no matter how tempting and that we'd never have a president who would try to exploit it and that the danger from terrorism was so extreme that we had to make big sacrifices of our privacy and of our personal conceptions of what kind of country we want to live in, then I would be all for this crap.  I know there are people here who believe that.  I don't think that's a strawman, although it could be articulated in a more pleasing and persuasive manner.

        •  You may be right (0+ / 0-)

          But if this position isn't actually being argued here, what's the point of injecting it into the conversation?

          There are number of people involved in this debate who I think aren't being particularly up front about their agendas. I suspect that in some such cases I could guess what their agenda is with a fair degree of accuracy. I might even be right but if they won't admit it and I have no hard evidence to back up my suspicions, voicing them would be worse than useless.

          Nothing human is alien to me.

          by WB Reeves on Mon Aug 26, 2013 at 06:45:30 PM PDT

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          •  Uh, I don't think Everton (0+ / 0-)

            has a secret agenda.  I don't want to go digging through his posts right now, but he says what he thinks.

          •  Also, I think it's rude of us to speak (0+ / 0-)

            of him in the third person.  I'm not sure what your point was in asking the question.  If he needed defending for some incorrect characterization, he's capable of making it himself without us talking about him like he's a vegetable.

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