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  •  The diary title is unfair to Van Hollen (19+ / 0-)

    I appreciate your desire to praise our mutual representative, but the diary title is misleading and could actually prove damaging to Van Hollen and the cause, if it is picked up elsewhere.

    Yes, if successful, Rep. Van Hollen's lawsuit would curb these abuses of the code by politically active groups clothed in religious garb. However, Van Hollen is not aiming at churches. First off -- 'church" is a loaded term, because it suggests the aim is at Christian organization. Second, he's aiming at curbing abuses by non-profits, generally -- aiming to see the IRS enforce the tax code, and to see these abuses ended.

    If this meme of yours were picked up, it would damaging to the effort and also politically damaging to Van Hollen.

    Your enthusiasm is great, but you need to be more careful in ascribing motives to others. More to the point, you need to be careful about putting words in politicians' mouths, especially inflammatory ones.

    The way this reads, with the diary title as is -- and then the quote from a writer about how nominally Christian groups would be affected -- does create the impression that the religious groups are the real targets here. There is no way that was the Congressman's motivation or goal. You may be most concerned about these groups, but Van Hollen's concerns are broader.

    I suggest that you rewrite the diary title, and make clear that any impact on religious organizations -- not just churches -- would be a secondary result to the primary goal of correcting IRS practice.

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    by FischFry on Mon Aug 26, 2013 at 06:50:58 AM PDT

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    •  Good point. (4+ / 0-)
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      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Mon Aug 26, 2013 at 07:38:35 AM PDT

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    •  I made a title revision to clarify. Thanks Fisch (0+ / 0-)

      "In this world, hate has never yet dispelled hate. Only love can dispel hate." ~ Buddha

      by Leslie Salzillo on Mon Aug 26, 2013 at 11:14:31 AM PDT

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    •  ^^^ This x 1,000 ^^^ (3+ / 0-)

      I'm starting to notice what seems like an increase in 'titles that don't actually match the diaries.'

      One diarist (I forget who it was) tried to justify that by claiming that the title was purposefully inflammatory in order to attract readers.   I don't think that applies to this diary and that, instead, the title is simply based on an incorrect assumption via jumping to erroneous conclusion, etc.

      I hope the diarist will re-word the title to accurately match the facts (and the facts are readily available).

      It's not a question of whether our founding fathers are rolling in their graves but rather of how many RPM they're clocking.

      by Eyesbright on Mon Aug 26, 2013 at 11:23:16 AM PDT

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      •  Not just the title is at issue (9+ / 0-)

        Content of the diary seems to be off track, too. It suggests the suit is targeting chruches and charities with are 501c3, instead of the actual target, which is 501c4 social welfare organizations. I know the term "social welfare" implies "charity", but it really covers a much wider range than that. From Tea Party organizations to true social benefit organizations that may be educating on dental healh or working to save endangered species.
        Besides Crosroads GPS and OFA, which are clearly political, there are others.

        The types of organizations who have historically occupied the (c)(4) niche follow directly from these differences. The Sierra Club, the AARP and the National Rifle Association, to name examples, are too politically engaged to be charities, yet they work toward what each believes will be a better world
        http://www.nytimes.com/...

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        by Catte Nappe on Mon Aug 26, 2013 at 12:22:50 PM PDT

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        •  Yup, I didn't make that clearly enough (1+ / 0-)
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          I was going off on a tangent about the title but I did say

          I hope the diarist will re-word the title to accurately match the facts (and the facts are readily available).
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          My gripe about the diary not being factual almost sounds like a side issue because I was so irritated about the title.  That made for a rather inept comment from me - but the rest of you did a great job of writing about the facts (unlike the diarist)!

          It's not a question of whether our founding fathers are rolling in their graves but rather of how many RPM they're clocking.

          by Eyesbright on Mon Aug 26, 2013 at 08:16:29 PM PDT

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