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  •  You're not supposed to do blanket spying, (4+ / 0-)
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    hoovering everything up, on allies and neutrals. Actually, I'm not sure it's a good idea to do this kind of hoovering approach ever.

    I could understand a more targeted approach, with a reason behind it. But reason has been removed from the equation--that's where there's overlap with the 4th amendment and its requirement of probable cause; an allied idea in policy is that you have to have some reason, preferably a defensible one, for doing shit like this. As opposed to throwing your weight around like George W. Bush just because you can.

    The party of Kennedy is also the party of Eastland. The party of Javits is also the party of Goldwater. Where is our party? Where is the political party that will make it unnecessary to march on Washington?

    by SouthernLiberalinMD on Mon Aug 26, 2013 at 01:09:15 PM PDT

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    •  Says who? (3+ / 0-)
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      They can blanket spy on those who are not entitled to the protection of the bill of rights.

      It's not like its only the NSA that does this.

      http://www.cbsnews.com/...

      •  I'm talking now about good policy vs bad. (3+ / 0-)
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        which ought to matter to a powerful government agency almost as much as the Constitution does.

        The party of Kennedy is also the party of Eastland. The party of Javits is also the party of Goldwater. Where is our party? Where is the political party that will make it unnecessary to march on Washington?

        by SouthernLiberalinMD on Mon Aug 26, 2013 at 01:47:52 PM PDT

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        •  Policy as to what? (2+ / 0-)
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          As to some who are not protected and who are also spying and professional at feigning outrage?

          •  Who the hell cares whether they're feigning (3+ / 0-)
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            outrage or truly outraged?

            That's not how you decide policy.

            You decide policy according to what is best for your country, hopefully within a framework of morality that everyone understands, in this case that which is expressed in our founding documents. It can't always be done. But the worst excesses, the worst straying from the moral center can and should be reined in. There's no reason to be hoovering up all the data on everybody, unless you see it as some sort of odd job creation program.

            The party of Kennedy is also the party of Eastland. The party of Javits is also the party of Goldwater. Where is our party? Where is the political party that will make it unnecessary to march on Washington?

            by SouthernLiberalinMD on Mon Aug 26, 2013 at 02:11:28 PM PDT

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      •  Jesus. I guess it's time to dust this off: (2+ / 0-)
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        http://

        PS It's supposed to be irony, not an actual cheer...

        The GOP says you have to have an ID to vote, but $ Millionaire donors should remain anonymous?

        by JVolvo on Mon Aug 26, 2013 at 01:58:38 PM PDT

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        •  Don't know what you are implying. (1+ / 0-)
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          You may be ashamed to be American, or think that it is worse than others, but I am not among that group.

          I can be critical, but unlike many, I am not ONLY critical. There is much to improve both here and elsewhere.

          In this case, why shouldn't we spy on others that spy on us? Is it wrong to spy? Do you believe there is any legitimate purpose to it?

      •  I would be quite happy if we were spying on EVERY (0+ / 0-)

        foreign government. And foreign nationals within the US.

        Information is one of the keys to avoiding wars -- and winning them when they start.

    •  Why not? (0+ / 0-)

      Who says we are not supposed to do "blanket spying" as you call it? We have antennas on embassies doing CIA intercepts in foreign countries. We are listening for a reason. Ignoring that and just tiptoeing around is just going to get someone killed. Being polite is not part of spying... ever!

      You really need to separate your domestic view with the Bill of Rights, the US Constitution and Federal Laws from the world view where there IS NO such protection from spying on other countries. Yes, we shouldn't be spying on US Citizens buying a box of crackerjacks at the local grocery store. But we are supposed to listen in on every other countries communications, internet traffic, etc. That is how we have been working for decades.

      "I think it's the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately." -- George Carlin, Satirical Comic,(1937-2008)

      by Wynter on Mon Aug 26, 2013 at 05:49:33 PM PDT

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