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  •  This is not drunk driving... (2+ / 0-)
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    This is what countries do to protect their interests. They spy on everyone else. This is not an illegal activity by our laws. This is the mission of the NSA, CIA and other intelligence agencies. They get information by any and all means.

    If you didn't realize that this IS the world live in every day then you just got your wake up call.

    "I think it's the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately." -- George Carlin, Satirical Comic,(1937-2008)

    by Wynter on Mon Aug 26, 2013 at 05:32:12 PM PDT

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    •  Bull (1+ / 0-)
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      You go on and accept it with pleasure.  I'd rather the world be a better place than accept the status quo.  I'll leave that to the Republicans.  Just because everyone does it, doesn't mean I have to assume it's right, despite your flippancy.

      •  Flippancy? (1+ / 0-)
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        It's reality. If we were talking about domestic spying I would be appalled. But we are talking about spying on foreign dignitaries and diplomats. This is standard operating procedure of our spy agencies. This isn't about right or wrong. It's also not about Republican or Democrat. No politics is part of this. It's the way our country gathers intelligence. You are trying to put the Bill of Rights on something that has nothing to do with it.

        I find your reaction to be the most strange. You think if the United States foregoes all spying on countries that they will just "play nice" with us? Outside our borders is a dangerous world that doesn't always follow the same view as we have. It's nice to keep a positive outlook, but to keep us safe as a country we need intelligence on how things truly are. We wouldn't have survived this long if we hadn't been for these efforts.

        "I think it's the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately." -- George Carlin, Satirical Comic,(1937-2008)

        by Wynter on Mon Aug 26, 2013 at 08:25:36 PM PDT

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        •  No, no, no (0+ / 0-)

          I never mentioned the Bill of Rights.  That applies to our country and our citizens.  Not anywhere else.  So don't say I did that.  It's a lie.

          I'm not big on the safety argument.  I have my own morals and beliefs on ethics.  And one of those is a complete respect for privacy unless you're being threatened by a specific entity.  Spying on Iran, Russia, China...  That's fine.  They actively work against our interests all the time.  But western Europe doesn't.  Why would we spy on them?  You think that Germany is aiding the terrorists?  That England is plotting world domination?  

          It may be the way the world is, but I don't have to like it or support it.  I'm not good with examples, but take pollution.  It bad, but some places at the moment can't live without it due to the need for cheap energy and the like.  However, in time I hope that pollution will be dialed down dramatically and those places won't need to use such harmful ways to get energy.  I don't support pollution.  I know it's needed, but I don't go along with people saying it's not an effect on climate or health either.  It's a bad thing, but without it a lot of people would die.  I just really hope that like these spying programs, someday we won't need it.

          I'm not trying to come off as rude or angry.  That's just the way my typing comes off as at times.  I feel strongly about privacy.  It's my #1 concern, so sometimes when I see people trying to take that away, even from people in other countries, it bothers me.  

          •  I hear you. (0+ / 0-)

            I stated the BoR since that is where you sounded like you were coming from. I understand the moral point of view you have. I wish the world could match your ideals. But sadly, the human race is full of deceit and lies that we cannot simply trust a group of people because they say and act like our allies. It's just the way people are at their basest level. They hide things and work against your interests not telling you unless they are caught red handed. Spying is just the necessary evil to keep things even. Consider the spouse that knows damn well there is something going on, but can't get their partner to come clean. They worry about it until they end up checking everything and still worry. Trust is a very limited commodity and something very dangerous to rely on when you have millions of people to safeguard with it. Proof is a better position to stand behind.

            "I think it's the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately." -- George Carlin, Satirical Comic,(1937-2008)

            by Wynter on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 12:15:20 AM PDT

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