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  •  Anyone Able To Define What The Syrian Civil War (0+ / 0-)

    is about?  Every news story focuses on the "We're going to war" and says nothing about what the the causes.

    I figured it was all about "My God Is Better Than Your God,
    but Wiki says it's part of the "Arab Spring" which lists these causes:

    The Arab spring is widely believed to have been instigated by dissatisfaction with the rule of local governments, though some have speculated that wide gaps in income levels may have had a hand as well. Numerous factors have led to the protests, including issues such as dictatorship or absolute monarchy, human rights violations, political corruption (demonstrated by Wikileaks diplomatic cables), economic decline, unemployment, extreme poverty, and a number of demographic structural factors, such as a large percentage of educated but dissatisfied youth within the population

    "I think that gay marriage is something that should be between a man and a woman.” - Arnold Schwarzenegger 2003

    by kerplunk on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 10:00:23 AM PDT

    •  highly doubt that religion is a prevailing (3+ / 0-)
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      factor out of the fact that it is a part of ethno-religious identity.

      The God-Wars are really, really overstated around here.  Belief may be part of it--but only as concerns group-defined definitions of morality, etc. etc.

      These uprisings were, at the outset, primarily economic in nature--and morphed into questions of free speech, repression, self determination, etc.

      Religion is in play but it's not driving things.

      •  From what I've observed, it has usually been (1+ / 0-)
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        economic disparity that initiated events. But, unfortunately, in all the Arab Spring revolts, religion very quickly came to the forefront as an overriding factor in their resolutions.

        •  I agree that it is involved--but involved as (2+ / 0-)
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          identity politics more than belief, I think.  Even w/Morsi and the brotherhood--a lot of this was about forcing through constitutions, completely ineptitude wrt the economy, and general obliviousness to the needs of the country.  Fears over hard-line Islamism were certainly involved, but I don't see actual belief--or exercise of that belief--as being paramount.

          •  Morsi was caught between a rock and a hard place (2+ / 0-)
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            with the economy. The country desperately needed cash but the US and IMF required austerity measures that were extremely unpopular. This basically tanked the economy and the people became more and more dissatisfied.

            After he was toppled, $12 billion miraculously appeared from Saudi Arabia and the UAE. The IMF now states that it's terms will be relaxed if Egypt wants to re-apply. The people don't want IMF money.

            Fears over hard-line Islamism were certainly involved, but I don't see actual belief--or exercise of that belief--as being paramount.
            Currently, Tunisia, Libya and Egypt are all torn by sectarian strife to one extent or another. The problem is that none of these governments are capable of addressing the real roots of the problem - economic disparity. It's become world wide and includes both developed and undeveloped countries. Just look within the US itself.
    •  The same global recession/depression (0+ / 0-)

      That we went through deeply impacted the MENA world.   Disaffected, unemployed young people, angry and disenfranchised and disoriented.   Or just angry. No job, no bride price/no dowry, no prospects, no future.   Add arms,  mix.  

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