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  •  Everyone needs to "touch this." Previously "this" (6+ / 0-)

    was talked about in hushed tones behind closed doors.  Serial  pedophiles could count on it.  The more victims, the more skilled they got at "grooming" targets--almost all kids for whom  they had some kind legal &/or social & cultural role. They were expert at "soft" coercion, intimidation & in general terrifying & "guiltifying" their prey.

    To talk about the enormity of the problem in this country--scholarly studies indicate that over 30% of women & over 15% of men were raped (broad definition) &/or sexually assaulted as minors--is to acknowledge a terminal cultural defect:  children & women last.

    Survivors of  sexual assault around the world can now communicate, organize &, sometimes, take political & legal action as a group in a way that we couldn't before.  Around the world, court cases,  commitment of resources, & public opinion are rapidly changing.

    Those traditions & institutions that fight this new reality will lose--hopefully sooner rather than later.  But lose they will.  Ask the Catholic Church.  Ask  Pope Benedict.  As Arundhati Roy wrote:

    Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet day, I can hear her breathing.
    Survivors will win because we have no other choice if we are to make our lives whole.  This victory will be too late for Cherice Morales, but as the great German Jewish literary critic said before he committed suicide to avoid capture by the Nazis:
    Hope is given to us only for sake of those who have no hope.      

    "I'll not yield. -- Wendy Davis" "Fear is a habit. I am not afraid. -- Aung San Suu Kyi"

    by sturunner on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 04:02:49 PM PDT

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    •  Opps--last quote is from Walter Benjamin. (2+ / 0-)
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      Mannie, Oh Mary Oh

      (Anyone who knows the original source, pls cite or kosmail me.  Thx)

      "I'll not yield. -- Wendy Davis" "Fear is a habit. I am not afraid. -- Aung San Suu Kyi"

      by sturunner on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 04:07:41 PM PDT

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    •  not a pedophile, for one thing... (1+ / 0-)
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      Someone who is attracted to a 14 yr-old is not a pedophile; he's an ephebophile.  And there is a big difference.  To equate someone who has sex with a 14 year old with someone who abuses a pre-pubescent child is unfair to the former and minimizes the far greater damage done to a young child.

      I think the age of consent should be 16, so I think sex with a 14 yr. old should be a crime.  I accept the concept of statutory rape--but I also know that in some cultures 14 y.o. is not considered an insanely young age for sex.  And I have worked as a therapist and Planned Parenthood agency director with more than a few sexually active 14 and 15 yr. olds.

      In this case it was an ongoing relationship--yes, extremely inappropriate and an abuse of power.  But the suicide, which happened as the case was going through the system,
      is not relevant for sentencing--and we have no information here of which was more troubling to Ms. Morales, the sexual contact or the criminal proceeding.

      What is also left out of this diary is the fact that Mr. Rambold was terminated from the program for contact with minors.  Sounds pretty awful!  'til we learn, as program staff did subsequently, that they were his relatives.  And his other offense was having sex with a woman.  As a former therapist in a prison for sex offenders, I question how serious an offense this is, unless the woman was also a program participant.

      The prosecution asked for a twenty year sentence, with ten suspended.  That to me, is also an outrage.  Anyone who fears the overly punitive sentencing of the U.S. criminal justice system should be troubled by this kind of sentencing recommendation.


      In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act--Orwell

      by jhannon on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 06:11:14 PM PDT

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      •  I simply don't know where to begin. . . . (5+ / 0-)

        So, raping a 14 yr-old is better than, say, raping  an 8 yr-old?  There is no statistical evidence that child rapists differentiate their prey that way.  They may prefer a particular stage of development, but they act on availability.

        So you would rather live next door to an "ephebophile" than "pedophile?" (Do you have kids. . . ?)  The   "epheb-" vs "pedo-" is the self-serving argument made by RCC apologists for the 100,000+ victims (their numbers) of predatory clergy in their employ during the last century.

        Why is the suicide--the consequence--of Rambold's deliberate, selfish, predatory rape of Cherice  not relevant?  30 days for indifferently causing the death of a minor under his care & supervision?

        But, I digress, for the real problem is that our "culture" prefers to spend far more per perpetrator on "rehabilitation" than on their victim's recovery.  The last lit review that I saw did not show any effective treatment for CSA predators.   Incapacitation, at least, prevents further rapes of minors.  After recovery support is available for their victims we can maybe provide help to their predators.

        "I'll not yield. -- Wendy Davis" "Fear is a habit. I am not afraid. -- Aung San Suu Kyi"

        by sturunner on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 08:24:13 PM PDT

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        •  Let me begin (1+ / 0-)
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          First, the use of the word "rape" for sex with a teen blurs all distinctions.  There is a difference between a)forcing an eight year old into sex and telling him/her that their parents will be killed if they tell anyone and b) seducing someone who a week later will be able to have sex without any legal consequences.  Yet, they are both called rape.  We have to make distinctions, just as the law in most states distinguishes sexual offenses based on the age of the victim.

          2. I do have kids.  I was very protective of them.

          3. Yes, I would MUCH rather live next door to an ephebophile than a pedophile.  By the time they were 13 my three children could not have been manipulated by an adult.  At 4-7, for example, I'm not so sure.

          4. If you want to sentence the defendant in this case to ten years, then yes, we will spend a lot more on his "rehabilitation" in prison (40-50K) than on the victim's recovery.  But that's your choice.

          5. There is effective treatment for CSA, but it's a lot easier to do so with ephebophiles than pedophiles, and I've worked with both.

          In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act--Orwell

          by jhannon on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 07:20:47 AM PDT

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      •  I agree on a couple of points (1+ / 0-)
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        One - you are correct, by definition he is not a pedophile.  So let's instead use a more broad term, child predator, because he indeed is that.

        Two - I also agree that the child's suicide should not be a factor in his sentencing.  I don't think anyone, in any case should be punished for another person's choices.

        However, he very much deserves to be locked up for at least ten years.  He should have never been given that "treatment program" sentence.  He should have been in jail, period.

        He was given a slap on the wrist and he was told clearly what the rules were - and yet he couldn't follow them?

        All that blah blah about the children were his relatives and the sex was with an adult are excuses. He couldn't follow rules that kept his ass out of jail?  Seems HE is the one with the problem, not the prosecution.  Perhaps this magical thinking of his that the rules don't apply to him is what made him think it was okay to have sex with a 14 year old.

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