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    •  Most Fedex drivers are independant contractors (19+ / 0-)

      so what they say really doesn't matter. They're already screwing the drivers, much easier and no new headlines.

      •  FedEx is provides insurance with no changes (7+ / 0-)

        FedEx is a great company and values its employees.

        This is one reason why I ship FedEx. And the fact that they are fast, reliable and dependable.

        All around good company... unlike UPS.

        UPS has tried to undercut everyone every way they can.


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        by bronte17 on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 01:40:12 PM PDT

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      •  FedEx drivers will become employees soon (19+ / 0-)

        The IRS never likes to see workers listed as independent contractors when they act like employees. For the life of me, I never knew how FedEx was able to classify the ground drivers as ICs. They simply performed too many employee like tasks to be ICs. Finally, the courts are beginning to agree with me.

        The United States District Court for the District of Massachusetts recently ruled that FedEx Ground Package System, Inc. had misclassified a group of former pick-up and delivery drivers as independent contractors instead of employees under the Massachusetts Wage Laws.


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        by bobinson on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 02:42:37 PM PDT

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        •  As long as the drivers are incorporated (0+ / 0-)

          or work for a subcontracting company, this can go on indefinitely.

          Because at that point, it's a business to business transaction.

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          by sacrelicious on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 05:00:45 PM PDT

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          •  Not quite true (4+ / 0-)
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            There are a certain set of tests that determine if a worker can be classified as an independent contractor.    If you fail those tests, you are NOT an IC, regardless of what your contract says.

            Here is a list of 20 questions, and the answers that indicate you are an IC and not an employee.    There is no hard/fast rule about how many of these can be "wrong" and still be an IC, but it gives you a good idea of the reqmnts.

            Are you required to comply with instructions about when, where, and how the
            work is to be done? (No.)
            2. Does your client provide you with training to enable you to perform a job in a
            particular method or manner? (No.)
            3. Are the services you provide integrated into your client's business operation?
            (No.)
            4. Must the services be rendered by you personally? (No.)
            5. Do you have the capability to hire, supervise, or pay assistants to help you in
            performing the services under contract? (Yes.)
            6. Is the relationship between you and the person or company you perform services
            for a continuing relationship? (No.)
            7. Who sets the hours of work? (You do.)
            8. Are you required to devote your full time to the person or company you perform
            services for? (No.)
            9. Is the work performed at the place of business of the potential employer? (No.)
            10. Who directs the order or sequence in which the work must be done? (You do.)
            11. Are you required to provide regular written or oral reports to your client? (No.)
            12. What is the method of payment — hourly, commission or by the job?
            (Contingency or project milestone-based payments are ideal.)
            13. Are your business and/or traveling expenses reimbursed? (No.)
            14. Who furnishes tools and materials used in providing services? (You do.)
            15. Do you have a significant investment in facilities used to perform services? (Yes.
            The more substantial your investment, the better.)
            16. Can you realize both a profit and a loss? (Yes.)
            17. Can you work for a number of firms at the same time? (Yes.)
            18. Do you make your services available to the general public? (Yes. It's a good idea
            to have a business listing in the phone book, for example.)
            19. Are you subject to dismissal for reasons other than nonperformance of contract
            specifications? (No. Also, your client should provide at least a week's notice. At
            will termination makes you look like an employee.)
            20. Can you terminate your relationship without incurring a liability for failure to
            complete a job? (Yes, assuming you're working on a time-and-materials basis. If
            you're working on a project, or milestone, basis, you are obligated to deliver on
            your commitments if you wish to be paid for your efforts.)

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            by bobtmn on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 05:58:45 PM PDT

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      •  actually (1+ / 0-)
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        Most FedEx Ground and Home Delivery drivers are working for a contractor, who may or not drive a route.  Up until a few years ago you could "own" a single route and probably net 40-50K.  They decided it would be easier to manage fewer contractors and many guys who were happy as clams to run their single routes were forced to either become managers of 4+ other routes or sell to someone else.  I know 'cause I am a driver PT. (suits my purpose for now).  My contractor is better than most, offers a 401k and vacation for his guys (FT) anyway to go with the low pay. Not sure if he offers health ins., but I am sure he's under no obligation to do so. Drivers are not paid by the hour, but by an agreed upon daily rate, maybe with a override for deliveries over a certain number, usual day is 10hrs,  no OT.  You are lucky to avg. $15/hr for a day.  You should know that whenever you make a FEx driver wait, your costing him time=money.  

        UPS has a weak union, they work like dogs, usually longer than I do but they're paid much better(inc OT) and have the usual array of bennies. I believe that one key difference btw FEx and UPS is that UPS lobbied to be considered an airline co.,, while Fex is trucking.

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        by Hirodog on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 06:13:36 PM PDT

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      •  On a slight tangent but (4+ / 0-)
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        FedEx CEO was an outspoken and active opponent to the Employee Free Choice Act a few years ago...I use USPS and UPS (at least they are union....for some employees anyway).

        "There can be no peace so long as hunger and want are found among millions of working people and the few, who make up the employing class, have all the good things in life." Preamble to IWW Constitution

        by ca union goon on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 06:52:53 PM PDT

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      •  Actually, think it is mostly the FedEx gound (0+ / 0-)

        drivers that are independent. Other drivers are not unionized, as FedEx has been pretty good at stopping unionization. But the ground guys are not only NOT union, they are totally independent, have to buy their own trucks (WTF???) and have no benefits at all.
        Most large corporations suck. That's just the way it is in the good ol' US of A.

        Isn’t it ironic to think that man might determine his own future by something so seemingly trivial as the choice of an insect spray. ~ Rachel Carson, Silent Spring ~

        by MA Liberal on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 07:56:26 PM PDT

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      •  I think that is the Fedex Ground component, (0+ / 0-)

        not Fedex proper.  But it's still a problem, and they should have integrated the Ground workers better when they acquired Caliber / RPS in the late 1990's.  It's been like 15 years now, and they still let that subsidiary continue to treat its drivers poorly.

        •  Among the "independent contractors" ... (0+ / 0-)

          ... used by BOTH FedEx and UPS, for delivery to remote areas of the country, is the United States Postal Service!  These companies NEVER want to have to venture as far into "the sticks", "the hills", "the mountains" or what-have-you as the Post Office does EVERY DAY!

          The reason for the "poison pill" Congress fed the USPS was not pressure from the delivery companies, but from the OIL BARONS.  Back in 2005, the USPS was doing well enough that they were considering replacing their entire fleet of delivery vehicles with ELECTRICS and HYBRIDS.  That plan simply had to be nipped in the bud, and so Congress forced the Postal Service to fund health care and retirement benefits for future employees, some of whose mothers have yet to be born.

          OF COURSE the New Right is wrong - but that doesn't make WRONG the new RIGHT!

          by mstaggerlee on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 09:48:58 AM PDT

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          •  unfortunately though, out here, even the USPS (0+ / 0-)

            uses contract labor who drive their own trucks and vans and such.

            You are correct though that when a person ships FedEx or UPS, depending on the rate and level, that "last mile" is often contracted to the USPS.....Though both FedEx and UPS as well as FedEx ground do actually deliver out here too.......

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            by buddabelly on Sat Aug 31, 2013 at 08:16:39 PM PDT

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    •  sorry, but i'm still going to support USPS. (0+ / 0-)

      i send all my orders out 2-3 day priority JUST to add support to the post office!

      EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

      by edrie on Sun Sep 01, 2013 at 01:17:05 PM PDT

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