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  •  Not sure of the impact of this (3+ / 0-)
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    As I wrote up thread, the released statement mentions some 250,000 firearms over an 8-year period being imported into the US (2005-now).  That is less than 32,000 firearms per year.  Or to put into perspective, 0.63% of the roughly five million firearms produced in the US every year.  

    Also, it isn't clear just what firearms they are talking about.  Fully automatic rifles were already banned from entering the US.  The only rifles I can think of that this impacts are the M1 Garands currently sitting in Korea.  I guess there could be some other Lend Lease rifles out there, but not many (Lee Enfields?).  Korea was loaned the Garand rifles back after the Korean War.  They now want to sell the surplus rifles to private importers for the US market.  The State Department claims that the rifles are still US property and that Korea has no right to sell them.  Technically, they must be returned back to the US and, if sold, they must go through the Civilian Marksmanship Program (CMP).  The CMP is an official US organization that sells US military surplus rifles to qualified US collectors (qualification is a four step process and does require a FBI background check).

    Garands are 8-round semi-automatic rifles that date from the WW2-Korean War era.  The have an en-bloc clip for loading, and unlike an SKS, it cannot be modified to hold a larger clip or external detachable magazine.  The M1 carbines do have detachable magazines that range from 5-30 rounds.  The carbines are expensive rifles as they are highly collectible and the CMP only has a few a year to sell (most of those are returns from Germany...they were loaned to Bavaria for park rangers).

    My guess is this order was two-fold: l1) limit what Korea can do with those rifles and basically force them to return them to the US government for release through the CMP and 2) allow the President to make a gun control statement and keep the discussion alive.  

    The other impact is this will drive a HUGE disinformation campaign.  Too few details were released with this announcement.  It will be reported as "OBAMA BANS ALL SURPLUS RIFLES!!1!1!"  It will be hard to combat that.  They should have been VERY specific about what this covers and why.

    The sequester is the new Republican immigration reform plan. Make things so bad here in the US that no one will want to live here.

    by Mote Dai on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 03:53:38 PM PDT

    •  If you're right, they absolutely should have (1+ / 0-)
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      worded this as "Obama makes sure all sales of US provided surplus will have to go through the Army" or something similar.

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      by JesseCW on Fri Aug 30, 2013 at 02:55:44 AM PDT

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      •  Not sure why they didn't do that (1+ / 0-)
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        This announcement will surely generate an enormous amount of bad (and willfully misleading) press without any sort of follow up comment or clarification.  The administration needs to get out in front of it and explain exactly what the import ban means and for what firearms.  The import ban certainly has little or no impact in reality (other than on the Garand collector circle), so maybe they just wanted to make it seem grander in nature for pure PR reasons?  I did check in some of the "usual suspect" online locations and, as predicted, this is being trumpeted as the end of the CMP and all surplus rifles.  That simply isn't true, but why give the other team a softball pitch to knock out of the park?

        The sequester is the new Republican immigration reform plan. Make things so bad here in the US that no one will want to live here.

        by Mote Dai on Fri Aug 30, 2013 at 08:02:21 AM PDT

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