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  •  Wasn't a court that levied the fine. (1+ / 0-)
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    BobTheHappyDinosaur

    See, also, my comments and links about the fight against citrus greening (commentary started by TheOrchid).

    Are some in Florida corrupt? No doubt. But I don't think there's any evidence that's what we're seeing here.

    Out with the gloomage - in with the plumage!

    by mikidee on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 01:36:22 PM PDT

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    •  Three different Miami-Dade mayors (1+ / 0-)
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      teabaggerssuckbalz

      busted for corruption THIS MONTH.

    •  I don't understand. Who did levy the fine, then? (1+ / 0-)
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      OleHippieChick

      And why isn't its absurdly puny amount a symptom of the government corruption that we have seen for years in Florida?

      Private health insurance: a protection racket without the protection.

      by rustypatina on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 02:16:27 PM PDT

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      •  Well, according to the first (0+ / 0-)

        link in the diary, the Florida Agriculture and Consumer Services department, Bureau of Compliance, sent a complaint letter, to which the grower has 30 days to respond. IOW, a typical administrative action ....

        Seriously (but with no offense intended) - read the links in the diary. You'll learn a lot.

        Out with the gloomage - in with the plumage!

        by mikidee on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 02:47:22 PM PDT

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      •  In response to your second question, (0+ / 0-)

        and again according to the first article linked in the diary, this was apparently the first time a grower was cited in connection with a bee kill. So there's that.

        Not insignificantly, and again according to the first link in the diary, one of the injured beekeepers had this to say about the size of the fine:

        While Hart asserts that "$1,500 ain't nothing to the grove people," he thinks the state's action sends a message that regulators are watching.

        ''This could have been the best thing to happen," Hart said. "They have to make a living with citrus. I have to make a living with my honey. It boils down to the label is the law.

        Out with the gloomage - in with the plumage!

        by mikidee on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 03:10:05 PM PDT

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        •  Stockholm Syndrome (0+ / 0-)

          The low expectations of appropriate justice among people in Florida is part of the cycle that fulfills those expectations. The beekeeper is saying that the government is irrelevant; the marketplace rules instead. That is the ideology that has made Florida the notoriously unjust place it is, for bees and for people.

          "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

          by DocGonzo on Fri Aug 30, 2013 at 02:08:53 PM PDT

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    •  So? (0+ / 0-)

      What's the difference whether it's a court or some bureaucratic office? What could possibly cause fines higher than 15% of the way to the max, if not this huge violation? That is why it's safe to assume corruption. Because there is vast evidence that Florida is corrupt in precisely the way that gives old 1% citrus families a wrist slap if they're even slapped at all. In Florida the burden of proof is in the one arguing the injustice is not due to corruption.

      "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

      by DocGonzo on Fri Aug 30, 2013 at 02:07:08 PM PDT

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