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  •  This is a big concern that I have with this (8+ / 0-)

    whole thing, though, tbh.

    It seems increasingly clear that Snowden has information that could expose very valid intelligence operations against hostile governments, organized crime syndicates, terrorist organizations, etc.

    I do fear this getting into the wrong hands and I fear that Snowden may have given this info out to too many people already.

    Like Julian Assange, for example, who has not exactly proven himself to be super careful with releasing information.

    That Article in the Independent is a good example of information leaking that shouldn't be leaking, imo.  Intelligence gathering in the Middle East actually probably is one of the things that our intelligence agencies absolutely should be doing and this kind of info being leaked has the potential to cause serious harm.

    "A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle" - Mohammed Nabbous, R.I.P.

    by Lawrence on Fri Aug 30, 2013 at 03:20:22 PM PDT

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    •  I don't disagree (10+ / 0-)

      But I wouldn't be surprised if some of that intel was deliberately leaked by MI6 to discredit the whole Guardian operation. A bit tin foil hat. But the dangers of disclosure are always cooked up. Yet to see the evils of the Manning wikileaks dump live up to the doom sayers.

      The Fall of the House of Murdoch -with Eric Lewis and all the latest Leveson evidence out now!

      by Brit on Fri Aug 30, 2013 at 03:23:01 PM PDT

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      •  Hehe. Not sure if MI6 is that smart. I was (4+ / 0-)
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        interrogated by MI5 once for completely ridiculous reasons and the guy in charge of the unit wasn't exactly the brightest bulb in the house.  If the MI6 is anything like them....

        Manning's leaks were mostly old stuff and related to an ending war, though, while these Snowden files are very up to date and seem to involve a lot stuff that is actually very sensitive and relevant to current intelligence operations.

        All I can say is that I hope Snowden isn't going crazy with the women in Russia, because I can pretty much guarantee that the FSB will be using the KGB's old methods of employing beautiful agents to spend time with the visitor.  

        "A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle" - Mohammed Nabbous, R.I.P.

        by Lawrence on Fri Aug 30, 2013 at 04:15:07 PM PDT

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      •  An alternate theory (7+ / 0-)

        A commenter to The Independent speculates

        I have just worked out who the source might really be.

        The Independent confirms in an interview w/ Al Arabiya that Snowden himself had nothing to do with it. But affirm the source is Snowden's archive and denying they are a stooge or dupe. Leaving the question of where they got it.

        Let me build up: On august 2, Süddeutsche Zeitung published a piece naming and shaming some telecom providers.

        They published another today. Apparently UK has access to oodles of fiber.


        And the Independent's piece is about fiber.

        Seems like the chain is Snowden-> Süddeutsche Zeitung -> Independent (direct or through a third party)

        So the independent likely has a few documents on GCHQ fiber access that the Germans weren't going to publish, not the whole shebang.

        So no second Snowden it seems.

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        by Catte Nappe on Fri Aug 30, 2013 at 04:43:15 PM PDT

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        •  Yes I read Süddeutsche Zeitung (6+ / 0-)

          Good piece about how six cable companies have been paid to allow access

          The Fall of the House of Murdoch -with Eric Lewis and all the latest Leveson evidence out now!

          by Brit on Fri Aug 30, 2013 at 04:47:39 PM PDT

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        •  Thanks for that... (3+ / 0-)
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          That seems like a logical progression, and makes a lot more sense than Greenwald's CT smear of the Independent.

          That said, whether it came from that route or the way I posited (Wikileaks) the potential problem is still the same - control over the documents by people with sensitivity is discretion towards security issues is lost and the damaging beans get spilled. The more the documents are shared (with or without Snowden's consent) the more likely that's going to happen. Hell, it probably becomes inevitable.

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          by richardak on Fri Aug 30, 2013 at 11:53:45 PM PDT

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    •  I think Snowden should be the least of your (1+ / 0-)
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      concerns once you found out how easily your government could be hacked, don't you think?

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