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  •  I'm frustrated as well (2+ / 0-)
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    AoT, SoCalSal

    I posted some questions above.

    I've asked them before.  I've posted them with images of the players all in Guy Fawkes masks, because their personalities don't matter.

    Only a couple of people actually answered the questions, but I'd like everyone to focus on them.  

    I want to hear a real discussion.

    Who started it doesn't matter.  I can vouch only for myself.  The constant rounds of fighting - I don't have a history of that and neither do some of the other folks that have been unfortunately labeled and thus their input tagged as trolling.

    But I've always really only wanted to talk about the situation.  What's really happening, and what we can do about it.

    I look forward to a non-meta, non-strident diary about this subject.  A Snowden/Greenwald/Obama/distraction- free diary about the NSA.

    No sly references to rox/sux/trolls/sensitive people/past comments, etc etc.  Clean slate, to the extent possible.

    I think there will still be a debate.  A really contentious one.  At least we'll be talking about something meaningful.

    •  Posting them with Guy Fawkes masks (0+ / 0-)

      is problematic.

      Guy Fawkes definitely meant to do physical harm to the government.  I am an expert on his (and the fact that he really was only a bit player) and the whole conspiracy, and I actually don't blame the people involved, but they really meant to blow everything to kingdom come, even their own relatives, and then take over.

      And the plot was backed with a lot of money.

      Guy Fawkes does not represent the little guy heroically standing up against oppression.

      Just look up the guy my screen name is named after.

      •  And I used to think it was this guy: (2+ / 0-)
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        kharma, triv33

        "The Catte, the Ratte and Lovell our dogge
        rulyth all Englande under a hogge."

        If it's
        Not your body,
        Then it's
        Not your choice
        And it's
        None of your damn business!

        by TheOtherMaven on Fri Aug 30, 2013 at 07:29:26 PM PDT

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      •  I guess you're right (1+ / 0-)
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        but my only point is that it didn't matter who they all were.

        I posted the same questions twice in other diaries, without any images at all.

        I'd been pegged a "roxxer" and stupidly attempted to argue the point, in many diaries.

        My questions were dismissed, or I was ridiculed/attacked, or people read those same questions and concluded that I wanted a huge surveillance state.

        I don't know .  .  .

        I just want to talk about the way forward.  What do we agitate for?  What good is it doing expressing ever increasing outrage and taking it out on other people here?

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