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  •  No. (3+ / 0-)
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    Why not instead pray that Assad stop gassing people
    •  ? (2+ / 0-)
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      Tony Situ, caul

      Wow. That sounds really harsh.

    •  Many of us don't believe it was Assad's doing (6+ / 0-)

      Sorry, a lot of folks are sick of these allegations that have not been confirmed by any objective group. I personally join the many veterans who think the chemical attack was a false flag attack designed to result in Assad's overthrow. Just why so many want to overthrow one of the most moderate leaders in the Middle East is beyond me.

      Obama is just warmongering as he has done for too long in other nations.

      •  Excuse me? (3+ / 0-)
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        Putting aside everything else, Assad is a thug.  He is not a moderate leader.

        •  Comparing him to most of the others in the area, (5+ / 0-)

          one has to admit it's not the most outrageous claim.

          Nor are we interested in punishing the use of CWs by various factions of Assad's opposition; just ask Carla Del Ponte.

          Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

          by corvo on Fri Aug 30, 2013 at 07:47:52 PM PDT

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          •  I'm not arguing that we should attack (6+ / 0-)

            Syria.  I'm saying that that argument is distinct from Assad's supposed moderation.  One can be against attacking Syria and still believe that Assad is a thug.

            •  He's definitely a vicious thug. But we can't depos (6+ / 0-)

              every vicious thug in that region, let alone afford to get sucked into a regional proxy war that could easily become a run-away train.

              This is a very dangerous, and ill-considered move, and a truly democratic-minded president would have "the debate" and seek AT LEAST Constitutionally mandated Congressional approval, not to mention the approval of the United Nations and NATO. That Obama is intent on going it alone is the height of authoritarian arrogance.

              "Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob." -- Franklin D. Roosevelt

              by Kombema on Fri Aug 30, 2013 at 09:56:14 PM PDT

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            •  But of course he's a thug. (2+ / 0-)
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              It's just that he doesn't lack for competition in that part of the world.  That includes, of course, his internal and pseudointernal opponents.

              Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

              by corvo on Sat Aug 31, 2013 at 06:08:50 AM PDT

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        •  lulz @ thug. The USA is thugdom. (7+ / 0-)

          Assad is a petty dictator at best. We have supported much worse.

          collards, meat, butter, sourdough, eggs, cheese, raw milk

          by Tirge Caps on Fri Aug 30, 2013 at 08:00:28 PM PDT

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        •  Read what was written (1+ / 0-)
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          No one said that Assad was an ideal leader. I merely said that he is one of the most moderate leaders in that region and he is. Compared to the other leaders in the Middle Eat, Assad is one of the most moderate.

        •  Dangerous thinking and Cowboy bob again (2+ / 0-)
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          First.  Candidate Obama, sounded his most rational when he spoke about his vision of building international cooperation before the go it alone, cowboy bob routine of GWB when it came to reigning in so called rogue nations like Iraq.  President Obama is  a constitutional scholar and needs to bring this to Congress for a debate.    I did not vote  twice now for another version of GWB especially on Syria.  There are constitutional issues here, like a debate in congress, that should take place along with an international consensus that  comes to the conclusion that Assad is responsible and dropping  bombs is the best solution to stop  the gas attacks.  The UN inspectors leave today with their report and if we as a nation want to continue having international respect we need to wait for that report.   England had that debate.  We have not even attempted.  

             Name calling those of us who want more proof that Assad did it and that blowing things up is the way to stop him from the use of gas again is just plain dangerous thinking.  It is this kind of intimidation that nullified the doubters over the Iraq war.  And look where that got us.

          The opposition to Assad is an odd assortment of some dangerous groups that wouldn't hesitate to use WMD's to lure the U.S. into another prolonged war.  80% of the American public does not want another war and wants a debate here.  Lets have it  before we start using our own weapons of mass destruction to kill more people.

      •  Does the fact that a person who (0+ / 0-)

        holds such an opinion is a veteran give that opinion more credibility? What about those veterans who disagree?

        I'm not a veteran, but I completely disagree with your comment.

        Gondwana has always been at war with Laurasia.

        by AaronInSanDiego on Fri Aug 30, 2013 at 11:13:59 PM PDT

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        •  Just the wearing of a uniform (0+ / 0-)

          should not qualify anyone as an expert on wars. However, those grunt who have seen and been involved in the actual terrorism of war should  be more credible than than the many talking heads who view war as the solution to every problem in our precious world.

          Those of us who have some memory left remember the lies used to promote both wars on iraq, the continuation of the war in Afghanistan, and the Vietnam war.  Even Hitler used lies to promote WW II. Wars need lies since rational human beings understand their terrorism. How can Americans keep believing the warmongers? In most of the world there is no appetite for the enlargement of war in Syria.

          War is costly. Peace is priceless!

          by frostbite on Sat Aug 31, 2013 at 07:28:19 AM PDT

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      •  Herman, Grandpa's gone off his meds again n/t (0+ / 0-)

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