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  •  And now you have drawn the ... (11+ / 0-)

    ... connection with Iraq that you asked for, where it was argued in advance that we were both helping where we could and preventing the risk of slaughter posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction.

    Which many people accepted based on government assurances that they were there.

    And which was then used as the pretext to attack before UN inspections had a chance to be completed to receive third party confirmation of the government's claims.

    Which raises the questions ~ given how well that turned out, should we "attempt to prevent slaughter" where we know for sure that it is entirely uncertain whether we will be able to do so within the limits we have placed on the engagement, and where it is entirely uncertain whether we will do more good than harm.

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    by BruceMcF on Fri Aug 30, 2013 at 07:04:01 PM PDT

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    •  Nope. In Iraq that (0+ / 0-)

      wasnt currently taking place.  We were speculating that it could take place.  Entirely different.  I guess I'm sensitive to all this because I'm ethnically Jewish and well, the holocaust.  I think we have a duty to intervene when these sorts of slaughters are taking place.

      •  Syria is not a genocide (3+ / 0-)
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        and it doesn't appear to be trending that way. These gas attacks are targeting militants with the collateral damage that goes with that. It's still horrible but it isn't close to genocide. thank god.

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        by AoT on Fri Aug 30, 2013 at 09:15:15 PM PDT

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      •  That's a difference without a distinction. (4+ / 0-)

        In one we have claims unsupported by third party verification that Iraq was working on chemical (and nukular) weapons.

        In the other, we have claims unsupported by third party verification that we know how used chemical weapons.

        In either case, we have official claims without third party verification regarding the justification for engaging in an attack, and pleas to trust the official sources of the claims.

        The difference, however, is that at least in Iraq we knew that we were going in without sufficient force to bring the claimed weapons of mass destruction development programs to a halt.

        Here, we are being promised up front that the action will not be sufficient force to bring the Syrian government's use of chemical weapons to a halt, even if it is credibly established by third party verification that the Syrian government was in fact the perpetrator of these attacks.

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        by BruceMcF on Fri Aug 30, 2013 at 09:18:35 PM PDT

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