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  •  OK-Gov: Brad Henry comeback? (13+ / 0-)

    http://m.apnews.com/...

    If he ends up seeing the light, then this would be our best get in deep red Oklahoma.

    •  Better than a sharp stick in the eye (2+ / 0-)
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      How clear/unclear is Oklahoma's term limits language?

      I am a Tom Rukavina Democrat

      by OGGoldy on Fri Sep 06, 2013 at 06:44:18 AM PDT

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      •  He Could Probably Run (6+ / 0-)

        There's pretty good legal reasoning, as mentioned in the article, that he could probably run again because the law couldn't retroactively apply to him. Perhaps the most prominent example of this is Jerry Brown of California. Despite there being a strict two-term limit for life in California now, Brown served his first two terms before the new term limit was established, so he was allowed to run for Governor again and will probably hold the title of longest serving Governor of California forever unless California changes its term limit laws again. In any event, as the article also notes, the Oklahoma Supreme Court is filled with Democratic judges, particularly ones appointed by Brad Henry, so there's probably a good chance that they would back him up on this if he pursued the issue in court.

        I'm not quite certain how I feel about Henry possibly making a comeback in 2014. He's certainly accomplished a lot in Oklahoma and he's still pretty young, relatively speaking. I've generally been hopeful that he would run for one of the Senate seats if they ever became open, though it seems doubtful he could pull it off considering how red the state has become at the federal level and considering some of his policy stances, most of all the fact that he's pro-choice. I would probably prefer for him to run for Governor in 2018 when it's an open seat, but if he finds reason to believe that he has a solid chance of beating Fallin in 2014, then by all means, I think he should go for it.

        •  Coburn had pledged to serve only 2 terms, (4+ / 0-)
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          and he actually kept his 3 term pledge while in the House, so I don't see why he would renege on his current pledge. If Henry waited just two more years he could run for an open Senate seat. Against someone like Bridenstine, and with a less toxic national Democratic ticket, I would imagine Henry would at least make it a very competitive race.

          "Once, many, many years ago I thought I was wrong. Of course it turned out I had been right all along. But I was wrong to have thought I was wrong." -John Foster Dulles. My Political Compass Score: -4.00, -3.69, Proud member of DKE

          by ArkDem14 on Fri Sep 06, 2013 at 10:29:54 AM PDT

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    •  Is a Senate run out of the question? (1+ / 0-)
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      Or is that simply even harder than another run for the governor's mansion?

      "At this point, if the president came out in favor of breathing, [Republican leaders would] tell their caucus members to hold their breaths."--Jared Bernstein

      by bjssp on Fri Sep 06, 2013 at 07:17:43 AM PDT

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      •  Federal vs state (3+ / 0-)
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        I think it would be a much tougher sell to get a seat in the senate where he would be tied to Obama. As a governor, he may have a better shot, as the Republican.legislature would be able to neuter his more liberal policies anyways. Its like some other states that have had governors at odds with the political lean, but not senators. Like Henry, Sebelius, Frudenthal, and Lingle.

        I am a Tom Rukavina Democrat

        by OGGoldy on Fri Sep 06, 2013 at 07:25:06 AM PDT

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        •  Yeah, probably. (2+ / 0-)
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          Plus, he's still quite young, and if he was willing to run for the Senate, he could do so after Obama was out of office, maybe in 2018 or 2022, when perhaps HRC is in the White House.

          Has there been any polling on this? It'd be interesting to see where he stood now.

          "At this point, if the president came out in favor of breathing, [Republican leaders would] tell their caucus members to hold their breaths."--Jared Bernstein

          by bjssp on Fri Sep 06, 2013 at 07:28:31 AM PDT

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      •  If this was 1983 instead in 2013 (4+ / 0-)

        than perhaps he has a good chance to run. Last time Oklahoma elected a Democratic Senator was 1990. Oklahoma already a solid red state at the Presidential level by then. Longtime Senator David Boren left in the middle of his term, to be president at OU.

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        by BKGyptian89 on Fri Sep 06, 2013 at 07:32:05 AM PDT

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    •  Why bother when Fallin is popular? (3+ / 0-)
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      "What do you mean "conspiracy"? Does that mean it's someone's imaginings and that the actual polls hovered right around the result?" - petral

      by conspiracy on Fri Sep 06, 2013 at 08:09:13 AM PDT

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      •  That's the better question. (2+ / 0-)
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        As hard as it might be to defeat Inhofe, it might be easier than trying to defeat Fallin.

        "At this point, if the president came out in favor of breathing, [Republican leaders would] tell their caucus members to hold their breaths."--Jared Bernstein

        by bjssp on Fri Sep 06, 2013 at 08:43:20 AM PDT

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        •  Inhofe is getting pretty old (2+ / 0-)
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          and he's been in the Senate for a while, so it would be easy to tie him to an establishment that has been ineffective and divisive. Just the contrast between a 51 year old, mild-mannered popular former Governor, and an 80 year rabble-rouser from the far-right of the Senate would be an interesting contrast. It would be an interesting race, though Henry would likely need a substantial national Democratic headwind in order to win.

          "Once, many, many years ago I thought I was wrong. Of course it turned out I had been right all along. But I was wrong to have thought I was wrong." -John Foster Dulles. My Political Compass Score: -4.00, -3.69, Proud member of DKE

          by ArkDem14 on Fri Sep 06, 2013 at 10:33:13 AM PDT

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          •  That's why it might be better to wait until 2020, (1+ / 0-)
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            probably. He'd be really hold by then, if nothing else.

            "At this point, if the president came out in favor of breathing, [Republican leaders would] tell their caucus members to hold their breaths."--Jared Bernstein

            by bjssp on Fri Sep 06, 2013 at 12:29:02 PM PDT

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      •  Would Henry run for the House? (1+ / 0-)
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        Or is that too much of a step down? If it looks like he could win us a seat, that'd be a pretty big deal.

        "At this point, if the president came out in favor of breathing, [Republican leaders would] tell their caucus members to hold their breaths."--Jared Bernstein

        by bjssp on Fri Sep 06, 2013 at 08:45:29 AM PDT

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      •  Yea, doesn't make sense (3+ / 0-)
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        Henry, like Dave Fruedenthal in Wyoming might be uber popular, but in the end they are Democrats in extremely red states and would need the right circumstances to win again.

        For Henry that would be 2018, not 2014 against a popular Fallin.

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        by Socks The Cat on Fri Sep 06, 2013 at 12:08:09 PM PDT

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        •  Heh (2+ / 0-)
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          For Henry that would be 2018 (or later) against an unpopular horrible candidate with national conditions favorable to Democrats. :P

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          by wwmiv on Fri Sep 06, 2013 at 12:11:03 PM PDT

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