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  •  I'm not sure it will get voted down (5+ / 0-)
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    jj32, LordMike, itskevin, MichaelNY, askew

    Canton and Boehner both seem to be behind it, as do a lot of the powerful mainstream conservatives and even some chief Democrats, including Nancy Pelosi.

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    by ArkDem14 on Fri Sep 06, 2013 at 10:41:03 AM PDT

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    •  Washington Post (1+ / 0-)
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      is trying to keep track of the vote on this, and they seem to have a majority of the House leaning no (although only 106 have said they will vote no for sure).  Only 25 have indicated they will vote yes so far.  Unless leadership really whips this vote, it is looking like it will fail by a solid margin.  The Senate is closer (15 against, 10 leaning no, 23 in favor), but if it has to pass with 60 votes, it's also looking tough.

      Interesting political coalitions here.  I'm not even seeing the clear correlations of the NSA vote, though elements of it are there...Amash and Grayson are among the loudest no votes.  But a bunch of conservative Democrats are also opposing (Peterson, Matheson, Schrader), as are mainstream Republicans like Gibson, Lance, and Stivers.

    •  Boehner/Cantor won't whip (2+ / 0-)
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      And their influence is limited in any event.

      It's unclear how active Pelosi is in trying to whip, I hear conflicting things. However, while Pelosi is a talented legislative leader, she can't change the macro factors, or the concentration of interests in the House.

      At this point the amount of Republicans supporting it in the House is a whopping eight. Not looking good.

      •  Not looking good at all (1+ / 0-)
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        MichaelNY

        As I said last Saturday, I think kicking this over to Congress effectively doomed it. I hope I'm wrong in what I think that communicates to Assad and the world.

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        by SaoMagnifico on Fri Sep 06, 2013 at 03:09:07 PM PDT

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        •  But was that the actual intent? (1+ / 0-)
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          MichaelNY

          No doubt if Assad strikes again the Republicans will be straight to the cameras to apportion blame directly at the White House.

          "What do you mean "conspiracy"? Does that mean it's someone's imaginings and that the actual polls hovered right around the result?" - petral

          by conspiracy on Fri Sep 06, 2013 at 04:03:05 PM PDT

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          •  And the thing is, (0+ / 0-)

            Assad will strike again if his anticipations that U.S. political division and hyperbolic threats from Iran and Hezbollah can push Congress to deny the President approval for an action he has already committed to.

            Do we need to wait until the country known as Syria totally collapses into sectarian warfare? Until it becomes a massive humanitarian disaster and the moderate factions are completely dwarfed by radicals and there's no long any chance to help a reasonable, pro-democracy ideology win?

            "Once, many, many years ago I thought I was wrong. Of course it turned out I had been right all along. But I was wrong to have thought I was wrong." -John Foster Dulles. My Political Compass Score: -4.00, -3.69, Proud member of DKE

            by ArkDem14 on Fri Sep 06, 2013 at 06:43:08 PM PDT

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