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  •  I CAN'T STAND HER (1+ / 0-)
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    MichaelNY

    And that reason you mention about her supporting the GOP gerrymanders in Florida. Her and Mario Diaz-Balart were trying to sue the fair amendment law in court. She knows damn well when that case that is still pending in court is ruled upon, that atrocious and unconstitutional JAX-ORL snake of a district will be dismantled.

    And when it does, I hope she gets challenge. Hopefully by Alvin Brown, or some Dem state legislature from Duval.

    NY-9/NJ-10; Russians can give you arms but only the United States can give you a solution. -- Anwar Sadat

    by BKGyptian89 on Fri Sep 06, 2013 at 12:16:01 PM PDT

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    •  Yeah, lets go from a progressive Democrat (0+ / 0-)

      to a conservative Democrat. I'll be damned if almost every single congressperson wouldn't fight to protect their district.

      •  Ideally (4+ / 0-)
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        ndrwmls10, MichaelNY, jncca, gabjoh

        we could wrangle two Dem seats out of Corrine Brown's.  It is uncertain though, with Republicans still generally able to do whatever they want in Florida.

      •  so you support Democrats who support GOP manders (1+ / 0-)
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        MichaelNY

        Just so they have a super duper D district, and not being a team player at all. Regardless if her district get dismantled, it will be a D district.

        SHE HAS A UNCONSTITUTIONAL DISTRICT. For some reason you can't get that through your skull. Redrawing the 5th distrct as it should be l, and will gains us 2 more districts in Central Florida. If she can't win a primary then that's her fault.

        Lol I'm not surprised at all. If she wasn't a female, you probably wouldn't give a damn about what I wrote.

        NY-9/NJ-10; Russians can give you arms but only the United States can give you a solution. -- Anwar Sadat

        by BKGyptian89 on Fri Sep 06, 2013 at 01:16:24 PM PDT

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        •  Some people keep saying this (0+ / 0-)
          Lol I'm not surprised at all. If she wasn't a female, you probably wouldn't give a damn about what I wrote.
          Like it shames me in some way.
          •  Cause whenever somebody says something (2+ / 0-)
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            critical or bad about a female Dem, your'e the first one to say something. So like I said, I'm not surprised.

            NY-9/NJ-10; Russians can give you arms but only the United States can give you a solution. -- Anwar Sadat

            by BKGyptian89 on Fri Sep 06, 2013 at 01:34:26 PM PDT

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          •  I apologize ndrwmls10 (3+ / 0-)
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            For lashing out at you like that. But I don't know why you would support somebody like Brown is beyond me. Even if you think she's good on the policies, she's bad when it comes to looking out for homestate Dems, just so she can keep her district the way it is.

            NY-9/NJ-10; Russians can give you arms but only the United States can give you a solution. -- Anwar Sadat

            by BKGyptian89 on Fri Sep 06, 2013 at 01:46:45 PM PDT

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            •  Corrine Brown (3+ / 0-)
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              has about as much influence over the Florida congressional map as I do.  Exactly 100% of that power is shared among the Florida legislature, the Florida governor (through veto power), and state and federal courts that handle redistricting-related lawsuits.  I never understood why people get so angry about representatives' positions on the gerrymanders.  It's not like their opposition can stop a gerrymander from happening (people on DKE gave Donna Edwards so much shit over her opposition to the Maryland map, even though it passed anyway over her objections).

              As long as the courts continue to turn a blind eye to FL-05, there's nothing stopping Republicans from packing Democrats in there.  Corrine Brown could loudly join our calls for breaking up her seat, but would Republicans oblige?  No.

            •  Thank you, I appreciate it. (1+ / 0-)
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              MichaelNY

              I don't agree with what she did, but it's not as if it's some shocking or uncommon thing. I understand why she did it.

          •  Some of us believe it should (1+ / 0-)
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            ArkDem14

            Because we think it's not justifiable and actually somewhat abhorrent to support people only on account of their sex.

            Formerly Pan on Swing State Project

            by MichaelNY on Fri Sep 06, 2013 at 02:51:47 PM PDT

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            •  If that was the case, I would support every single (0+ / 0-)

              Republican woman and I wouldn't have been the most vocal on Tulsi Gabbard in the beginning. I wish people would get their facts straight.

            •  I don't find anything wrong with supporting (2+ / 0-)
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              James Allen, gabjoh

              reasonably progressive Democratic woman when applicable, even if their are somewhat more progressive men in the picture. I find it abhorrent that woman only make up 20% of Congress. I find it abhorrent that there are still many barriers in the way, especially for women of color. I will never be ashamed of what I believe.

              •  I hope you answer my other question (1+ / 0-)
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                James Allen

                A lot of us would be happy to vote for the member of the underrepresented class (blacks, Hispanics, women, etc.), all things being more or less equal. But, for example, I will not vote for Quinn against De Blasio, because I consider a whole host of his positions (including support for the 4th-Amendment rights of black and Hispanic young men) more important than her simply being a woman (or gay).

                Formerly Pan on Swing State Project

                by MichaelNY on Fri Sep 06, 2013 at 03:13:09 PM PDT

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                •  That is definitely a difficult case. (0+ / 0-)

                  From what I understand it's not as cut in dry as that, but it's still difficult for me. Luckily I don't live in NYC. So I don't have to decide and for the most part it never plays out like that.

                  •  I don't find it a difficult case (2+ / 0-)
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                    Stephen Wolf, ChadmanFL

                    I care more about how much a politician helps or hurts people than whether the politician is a man or woman, black or white, gay or straight, Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Hindu, atheist, and to me, that is (or should be) the American way. If I felt differently, I'd support all the black candidates against Congressman Cohen in Tennessee, as both whites and Jews are overrepresented in the House, but his constituents, in their wisdom, feel that he represents them better than any of the people who've run against him.

                    Formerly Pan on Swing State Project

                    by MichaelNY on Fri Sep 06, 2013 at 03:27:08 PM PDT

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        •  That was uncalled for (1+ / 0-)
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          Stephen Wolf

          Extremely uncalled for, and nothing ndrwmls10 said deserved that level of personal attack.  Why can't people just disagree calmly on this site?

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