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  •  The President's entire effort is based upon his (1+ / 0-)
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    declaration and the verification from other souces, like the publication Der Speigel, that Asaad has used chemical weapons on his people. Der Spiegel has said this:

    Evidence clearly suggests that Syria's president has deployed chemical weapons. The latest poison gas attack should set aside once and for all any reservations about military intervention. The credibility of Western countries is on the line.
    http://www.spiegel.de/...

    To answer your diary, the President believes Asaad has used chemical weapons, other independent voices have pointed out that Asaad has used chemical weapons.

    I'm not sure what you are attempting to show in your diary, but if you are claiming that the President is not sure that Asaad used chemical weapons, I suggest you go back and read the Press conference you cited.

    •  I think you are being opaque about the clarity (2+ / 0-)
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      of what I am saying: the President, himself, appears to have acknowledged that Assad may not have ordered these attacks,and that they may well have been unauthorized launch orders by military officers in the field.  If that is the case, command responsibility is unclear, and the justification for US punative strikes is severely undermined.  

      I for one do not know why the Obama Administration continues to withhold the voice intercepts from that night -  at the very least, since they have been described in detail in the press and the source has been identified (IDF Unit 8200, the Israeli NSA) the usual excuse about "sources and methods" is really a transparent canard.  

      •  No, it really doesn't matter whether it was Assad (1+ / 0-)
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        himself or a member of his regime that ordered the poison gas attacks. Children are dead either way and action must be taken to prevent more deaths.

        Obama was on target (figuratively and literally) when he proposed sending guided missiles to destroy the missile launch sites to prevent a reoccurrence of this barbaric act. Limited, controlled, directed at army bases and not civilians, destroying launch sites is the appropriate response.  

        •  No, it really does matter because the the attacks (3+ / 0-)

          will be on infrastructure because the delivery devices for these crude homemade gas rockets are simple metal tubes loaded on the back of small trucks, of the type that both the military and the opposition are known to use.  

          There is no Cape Kennedy complex in Syria form which these things were launched that cruise missiles might have any effect on.  

          In fact, "Limited air-strikes" is just another term for imposing a no-fly zone, as most targets wil be the Syrian Air Force and air defense system.

          •  possibility that it was soon to defect soldiers (1+ / 0-)
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            has to be considered...this was a major coup for the rebels for Assad's weapons to have been used here...but who controlled, who ordered....

            This machine kills Fascists.

            by KenBee on Sat Sep 07, 2013 at 12:59:26 AM PDT

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      •  Sigh.... This is what the President has said: (0+ / 0-)
        “We do not believe that, given the delivery systems, using rockets, that the opposition could have carried out these attacks,” Obama told PBS, referring to the rebels who have been fighting Assad for more than two years.
        “We have concluded that the SYRIAN GOVERNMENT in fact carried these out. And if that’s so, then there need to be international consequences.”
        http://www.nydailynews.com/...

        Caps emphasis mine.

        The administration has CONCLUDED that the Syrian government carried out the attacks.

        •  It's the same sort of logic (0+ / 0-)

          That leads some people to believe George Zimmerman should have been punished somehow.

          Assad and Zimmerman are bad guys.  The Syrian rebels and Trayvon Martin couldn't have been the ones who initiated/escalated things.  Innocents are dead, therefore FEEL MY WRATH.

        •  is the administration's conclusion the... (0+ / 0-)

          word of god to you, or what? is that why you say that the administration has "CONCLUDED" that the Syrian government carried out the attacks?

          It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.

            -- Mark Twain

          i'm part of the 99% - america's largest minority

          by joe shikspack on Fri Sep 06, 2013 at 04:32:40 PM PDT

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          •  If you're going to ask a question please follow (0+ / 0-)

            the existing thread and see what the conversation was before asking some non sequitur.

            Diarist:

            That sounds like an acknowledgement to me that Obama is fully aware of the possibility -- perhaps, probability -- that the attack of August 21 was NOT ordered by Assad or the other civilian leaders, but may have been an unauthorized lauch by the military commander of the unit that carried out the attack.
            Emphasis, mine.

            NedSparks:

            * [new]  The President's entire effort is based upon his (1+ / 0-)
            declaration and the verification from other souces, like the publication Der Speigel, that Asaad has used chemical weapons on his people. Der Spiegel has said this:

            Evidence clearly suggests that Syria's president has deployed chemical weapons. The latest poison gas attack should set aside once and for all any reservations about military intervention. The credibility of Western countries is on the line.

            http://www.spiegel.de/....
            To answer your diary, the President believes Asaad has used chemical weapons, other independent voices have pointed out that Asaad has used chemical weapons.

            I'm not sure what you are attempting to show in your diary, but if you are claiming that the President is not sure that Asaad used chemical weapons, I suggest you go back and read the Press conference you cited.

            Diarist:
            * [new]  I think you are being opaque about the clarity (1+ / 0-)
            of what I am saying: the President, himself, appears to have acknowledged that Assad may not have ordered these attacks,and that they may well have been unauthorized launch orders by military officers in the field.  If that is the case, command responsibility is unclear, and the justification for US punative strikes is severely undermined.  
            NedSparks:
            * [new]  Sigh.... This is what the President has said: (0+ / 0-)
            “We do not believe that, given the delivery systems, using rockets, that the opposition could have carried out these attacks,” Obama told PBS, referring to the rebels who have been fighting Assad for more than two years.
            “We have concluded that the SYRIAN GOVERNMENT in fact carried these out. And if that’s so, then there need to be international consequences.”
            http://www.nydailynews.com/....
            Caps emphasis mine.

            The administration has CONCLUDED that the Syrian government carried out the attacks.

            If you had followed the thread you would have seen that my comment was to emphasize that the President or his administration had no doubt that the Asaad regime was involved in using chemical weapons as upposed to suggestion by the diarist that the President had some evidence or reservation that some other entity was to blame and not Asaad.

            But since you want to ask me a question about my confidence in the administration's declarations. Yes, I have a great deal of confidence in the President. I'm sure it will not come as a shock that I am not part of the anti-Obama glee club in this community.

            But in case you are suggesting that the President is falsely accusing the Asaad regime of attacking his people with chemical weapons, you will note that I cited Der Speigel in my series of comments, which have also reported that Asaad attacked his people with chemical weapons.

            Now I know that Der Spiegel might be considered untrustworthy in this case, even though only weeks ago many in the anti-Obama crowd celebrated Der Spiegel for its probity in reporting, as it related to the Snowden case.

            But I know how it is...Der Spiegel is probably now working with the Obama administration.

            That Obama...can't trust him....

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