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  •  Libyans have a long road (6+ / 0-)

    ahead of them and part of that was caused by a lack of  institutional infrastructure that was Qaddafi's by design...the rest, of course, was the destabalizing effect of helping the people of Benghazi. The intervention worked, but the aftermath didn't so far. I'm not ready to give up on them just yet Claudius, but I can certainly understand how they may see it right now and I can't blame them.

    Thank you for the article...

    •  If the aftermath didn't work, the intervention, by (18+ / 0-)

      definition, failed.

      The meme is simple enough: "Regarding Syria, If you support the President, you end up supporting al-Qaeda." No politician, of any party, persuasion, or clique, wants an opponent who will be able to say this in an advertisement.

      by Superskepticalman on Sat Sep 07, 2013 at 03:54:12 AM PDT

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      •  We're really good at blowing things up. (1+ / 0-)
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        We're not so good about reassembling governments and countries after, at least since the Marshall Plan after WWII.

        Generally, we like to blow the crap out of everything, throw some money at the problem without supervision, then walk away.

        Worked out wonderfully in Iraq, which continues to be wracked with constant bombings and sectarian strife. The nation's infrastructure still doesn't operate well, even after our billions in "restoration" went to enrich the pockets of western contractors who didn't even hire Iraqi workers. They imported workers from elsewhere.

        In other words, Syria is better off without our brand of "help."

        "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

        by YucatanMan on Sat Sep 07, 2013 at 12:35:38 PM PDT

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      •  I'm afraid I don't agree (0+ / 0-)

        with that statement. Using your logic our Revolution in 1776 failed to produce our own democracy because it took a long while and a Civil War to get where we are today. The same could be said for the French Revolution...how many years until they finally had a Republic? I don't think you're giving Libyans enough credit.

        That doesn't mean I advocate anything in Syria...there are a whole host of differences between the two countries...it's not a cookie cutter proposition, and I firmly oppose striking Syria.

        •  History has showm the majority of armed, violent (0+ / 0-)

          revolutions do not succeed and end up with further violence and sometimes civil war. The US compared to Canada is a prime example. Canada surpassed the US sooner in democratic rights which also included women and minorities without the appalling loss of life that occurred in the US.

          Libya is still under UNSMIL, UN Chapter Seven, until March 2014 so the west could go back in. Doubtful they would do that. Everyone in Libya would pick up arms against the foreigners.

          There are now calls for the removal of current government leaders.

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