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  •  Considering the very real potential.... (14+ / 0-)

    ....for mass civilian casualties, high costs, a quagmire, etc, the heavy burden of proof must always be on the people calling for war, not those opposing it. Especially when both Congress and the Arab League and the UN are lining up in opposition to such an attack.

    •  I'm for war. But ten percent of all the money and (6+ / 0-)

      Materials and manpower has to stay home.

      Sequester, you know. /snark

      Thump! Bang. Whack-boing. It's dub!

      by dadadata on Sat Sep 07, 2013 at 06:08:29 AM PDT

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    •  I've been informed right here at dkos (5+ / 0-)

      that if I oppose bombing Syria (almost typed Iraq!) that I must enthusiastically endorse the gassing of children.  Twice, by TomP and Coss, so it must be a distribute DP talking point.

      Here's my particular personal irony.  As a strongly antiwar vet, I've been familiar with certain civilian denunciations of military personnel and vets as "baby-killers", but I've never before seen  it leveled at those of us vets OPPOSED  to further war-making.  

      I remember from the Iraq days there was lots of talk around here about "chickenhawks".  Looks like we have our own whole brood now.  Calling vets "baby-killers" because we OPPOSE more bombing of Syrian cities.  I don't believe it's possible to even see intellectual integrity from the place that attack is made.  It is the debauched thinking of a debased  liberalism.

      PS.  I've never been called "baby-killer" before, presumably because of my antiwar views and credentials.  Apparently it takes The Village.

      Clap On, Clap Off, The Clapper!

      by ActivistGuy on Sat Sep 07, 2013 at 11:20:31 AM PDT

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      •  Suppose ... (0+ / 0-)

        this was a test by the Syrian government to see whether they could get away with using chemical weapons. (Doesn't this seem likely? Or do you think the Syrian government can be trusted to do the right thing?)

        If it was, and Obama does absolutely nothing, then are we going to stand by and watch tens and hundreds of thousands of innocent Syrian civilians get gassed to death?

        Dropping a few bombs now might (or might not) be the only way to stay out of the Syrian civil war.

        •  Here's an interesting take on that angle: (1+ / 0-)
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          Obama Warned on Syrian Intel
          September 6, 2013

          Exclusive: Despite the Obama administration’s supposedly “high confidence” regarding Syrian government guilt over the Aug. 21 chemical attack near Damascus, a dozen former U.S. military and intelligence officials are telling President Obama that they are picking up information that undercuts the Official Story.

          Long article. Check out the detail of arms being provided and to who. Timing of events.  And then check out the people endorsing the article at the bottom. It's a Who's Who of knowing what's going on.

          "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

          by YucatanMan on Sat Sep 07, 2013 at 12:49:34 PM PDT

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          •  If it was a false-flag attack ... (1+ / 0-)
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            obviously we shouldn't do anything. But if this was a Syrian government feeler to see whether they could get away with using chemical weapons, I think we have to respond.

            We need better intelligence. Let's hope the Obama administration has it.

            •  The obvious response to that statement is: (0+ / 0-)

              "Why does the USA have to respond, virtually alone?"

              Why isn't this the responsibility of the UN or the Arab League, both of whom the USA should not be attempting to usurp with premature action?

              "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

              by YucatanMan on Sat Sep 07, 2013 at 03:47:44 PM PDT

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      •  "Mindful Nature" just stated, in discussion with (1+ / 0-)
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        Armando, of all people,

        I despise providing cover for mass murderers, which is how I see the position of a majority of kossacks
        Isn't that a, "Wow, just Wow" moment?  I found it hard to temper my response. If you want to see the original, just "Parent" from mine.

        That was really "Mindful" wasn't it?  "A majority of Kossacks" favor "providing cover for mass murderers"?  

        That is an obscene statement, if not deliberately inflammatory.

        "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

        by YucatanMan on Sat Sep 07, 2013 at 12:47:14 PM PDT

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