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  •  So you're ok with.... (0+ / 0-)

    convicted criminals carrying knifes and chainsaws?

    •  We start somewhere (0+ / 0-)

      You go first, if you like, then add to the list. The idea of millions of carried chainsaws is quite scary, I agree. It would be hard to conceal them, though.  

      I'm from the Elizabeth Warren wing of the Democratic Party

      by voicemail on Sun Sep 08, 2013 at 11:26:24 AM PDT

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      •  Let me put it to you this way... (0+ / 0-)

        a) As you note, chainsaws are difficult to conceal.  This is not the case with firearms.

        b) A certain amount of time is required to put most chainsaws into operation.  If I see you pulling out a chainsaw in an inappropriate situation, there is a non-negligible window in which I can either attempt to stop you or escape.  That window does not exist with firearms.

        c) In order to inflict physical damage on individuals, a criminal wielding a chainsaw must be in close physical proximity to the victim(s).  This is not the case with firearms.

        The simple fact of the matter is that, of the various forms of personal weaponry available to the general public, firearms are by far the greatest force multiplier; they allow the individual attacker to inflict the most griveous attacks against the largest number of potential victims from the greatest distance with the least physical effort.

        If you ask me, THAT is the proper starting point for the discussion.

        The word "parent" is supposed to be a VERB, people...

        by wesmorgan1 on Sun Sep 08, 2013 at 11:38:34 AM PDT

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        •  Yes (0+ / 0-)

          I agree. I was going to say that if I had a nickel for every time a discussion about guns was turned to chainsaws, I'd have about 5 cents, but now it would be more.  

          I'm from the Elizabeth Warren wing of the Democratic Party

          by voicemail on Sun Sep 08, 2013 at 12:42:12 PM PDT

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    •  An objective risk assessment says yes. (0+ / 0-)

      When's the last time someone went on a stabbing rampage?  There was a knife attack in a Chinese school around the same time as Newtown; I note that the assailant injured 23 people, but there were no fatalities.

      Your argument doesn't hold water, because it presumes a goal of eliminating risk.  That isn't possible; the logical endpoint of your argument is "what about a big rock?  Or a club?".  The goal is to minimize the risk where (and to the extent) possible in reasonable regulation.

      Even the exercise of Constitutional rights can be legitimately restricted in order to address and/or minimize the risks incurred by others by said exercise.

      We have a century's worth of legal precedent saying that none of our Constitutional rights are immune from reasonable regulation; we can certainly differ on whether specific regulations are reasonable, but it's clear that none of our Constitutional rights are unlimited.

      The word "parent" is supposed to be a VERB, people...

      by wesmorgan1 on Sun Sep 08, 2013 at 11:27:47 AM PDT

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