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  •  Relative cries over uninsured child blames obama.. (5+ / 0-)

    She posted a share about how a minister tells a "story" about "overhearing" Obama care supporters talking about "free" health care. In the story she posted on face book...it made my blood boil...it described the Obama care supported simply wanting something for "free" and as disrespectful, Mean, and ignorant. It ended with a quote from Henry ford. I'll post the story. I was so angry that my sister in law would post such drivel. Our relationship was almost destroyed. I just kept asking she not share something with NO info in it, no facts, just making people who support Obama car look bad!! During our argument she told me about a poor black girl with cancer who needs treatment and how Obama care is making sure she will die!! I was flabbergasted! I told her to have the girl call me and that I would get her help. Read it here:

     "was in my neighborhood restaurant this morning and was seated behind a group of jubilant individuals celebrating the coming implementation of the health care bill. I could not finish my breakfast. This is what ensued:
     They were a diverse group of several races and both sexes. I heard a young man exclaim, “Isn’t Obama like Jesus Christ? I mean, after all, he is healing the sick.”

    A young woman enthusiastically proclaimed, “Yeah, and he does it for free. I cannot believe anyone would think that a free market wouldn't work for health care.”

    Another said, "The stupid Republicans want us all to starve to death so they can inherit all of the power. Obama should be made a Saint for what he did for those of us less fortunate.”

    At this, I had more than enough. I arose from my seat, mustering all the restraint I could find, and approached their table. “Please excuse me; may I impose upon you for one moment?”

    They smiled and welcomed me to the conversation. I stood at the end of their table, smiled as best I could and began an experiment.
    “I would like to give one of you my house. It will cost you no money and I will pay all of the expenses and taxes for as long as you live there. Anyone interested?”

    They looked at each other in astonishment. “Why would you do something like that?” asked a young man, “There isn’t anything for free in this world.”
    They began to laugh at me, as they did not realize this man had just made my point.

    “I am serious, I will give you my house for free, no money whatsoever. Anyone interested?”

    In unison, a resounding “Yeah” fills the room.
    “Since there are too many of you, I will have to make a choice as to who receives this money-free bargain.”

    I noticed an elderly couple was paying attention to the spectacle unfolding before their eyes, the old man shaking his head in apparent disgust.

    “I tell you what; I will give it to the one of you most willing to obey my rules.”

    Again, they looked at one another, an expression of bewilderment on their faces.

     The perky young woman asked, “What are the rules?”

    I smiled and said, “I don’t know. I have not yet defined them. However, it is a free home that I offer you.”

    They giggled amongst themselves, the youngest of which said, “What an old coot. He must be crazy to give away his home. Go take your meds, old man.”

    I smiled and leaned into the table a bit further. “I am serious, this is a legitimate offer.”

    They gaped at me for a moment.
    “I’ll take it you old fool. Where are the keys?” boasted the youngest among them.

    “Then I presume you accept ALL of my terms then?” I asked.

     The elderly couple seemed amused and entertained as they watched from the privacy of their table. “Oh yeah! Where do I sign up?”

    I took a napkin and wrote, “I give this man my home, without the burden of financial obligation, so long as he accepts and abides by the terms that I shall set forth upon consummation of this transaction.”
    I signed it and handed it to the young man who eagerly scratched out his signature.

    “Where are the keys to my new house?” he asked in a mocking tone of voice.

     All eyes were upon us as I stepped back from the table, pulling the keys from pocket and dangling them before the excited new homeowner.
    “Now that we have entered into this binding contract, witnessed by all of your friends, I have decided upon the conditions you are obligated to adhere to from this point forward. You may only live in the house for one hour a day. You will not use anything inside of the home. You will obey me without question or resistance. I expect complete loyalty and admiration for this gift I bestow upon you. You will accept my commands and wishes with enthusiasm, no matter the nature. Your morals and principles shall be as mine. You will vote as I do, think as I do and do it with blind faith. These are my terms. Here are your keys.”
    I reached the keys forward and the young man looked at me dumbfounded.
    “Are you out of your mind? Who would ever agree to those ridiculous terms?” the young man appeared irritated.

    “You did when you signed this contract before reading it, understanding it and with the full knowledge that I would provide my conditions only after you committed to the agreement.”

    The elderly man chuckled as his wife tried to restrain him. I was looking at a now silenced and bewildered group of people.

    “You can shove that stupid deal up your a** old man. I want no part of it!” exclaimed the now infuriated young man.

     'You have committed to the contract, as witnessed by all of your friends. You cannot get out of the deal unless I agree to it. I do not intend to let you free now that I have you ensnared. I am the power you agreed to. I am the one you blindly and without thought chose to enslave yourself to. In short, I am your Master.”

    At this, the table of celebrating individuals became a unified group against the unfairness of the deal.

     After a few moments of unrepeatable comments and slurs, I revealed my true intent.

    “What I did to you is what this administration and congress did to you with the health care legislation. I easily suckered you in and then revealed the real cost of the bargain. Your folly was in the belief that you can have something you did not earn, and for that which you did not earn, you willingly allowed someone else to think for you. Your failure to research, study and inform yourself permitted reason to escape you. You have entered into a trap from which you cannot flee. Your only chance of freedom is if your new Master gives it to you. A freedom that is given can also be taken away. Therefore, it is not freedom at all.”

    With that, I tore up the napkin and placed it before the astonished young man. “This is the nature of your new health care legislation.”
    I turned away to leave these few in thought and contemplation -- and was surprised by applause.

     The elderly gentleman, who was clearly entertained, shook my hand enthusiastically and said, “Thank you, Sir. These kids don’t understand Liberty .”

    He refused to allow me to pay my bill as he said, “You earned this one. It is an honor to pick up the tab.”

    I shook his hand in thanks, leaving the restaurant somewhat humbled and sensing a glimmer of hope for my beloved country.
     1. Remember... Four boxes keep us free: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box, and the cartridge box.
     2. THIS SHOULD GO AROUND THE UNITED STATES SO PEOPLE CAN SEE JUST WHAT IS GOING ON. MAYBE EVEN THE POLITICALLY BLIND ONES WILL LEARN SOMETHING FROM IT.

     "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous
     by letting the American Government
     take care of him;
     better take a closer look at the American Indian."

    •  Right here: (18+ / 0-)
      “What I did to you is what this administration and congress did to you with the health care legislation. I easily suckered you in and then revealed the real cost of the bargain. Your folly was in the belief that you can have something you did not earn, and for that which you did not earn, you willingly allowed someone else to think for you. Your failure to research, study and inform yourself permitted reason to escape you. You have entered into a trap from which you cannot flee. Your only chance of freedom is if your new Master gives it to you. A freedom that is given can also be taken away. Therefore, it is not freedom at all.”
      Is where it all falls apart.

      The recipients didn't have a vote, Congress did. Congress had the Bill, in all of its detail ... indeed they complained that there was too much detail. Congress signed a contract that they had every word of, in advance.

      Now if this story replaced ObamaCare with Scott Walker, then it would make an excellent point. He was not elected to do what he is doing, because he never mentioned ANY of it during his campaign. He campaigned on creating jobs in Wisconsin ... What he has done is destroy them instead.

      If I missed the point of the story, let me know.

      I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
      but I fear we will remain Democrats.

      Who is twigg?

      by twigg on Mon Sep 09, 2013 at 05:46:43 AM PDT

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      •  AND the insurance companies NOW have the key... (11+ / 0-)

        That's the part that kills me. Insurance companies are making the life and death decisions for us right now!! No the AHCA does not solve all of this...and no there is no freedom. But I would rather have the government have control of "my health care house" than "the free market insurance companies". Were we all suckered? Nope most of us knew better but we also knew that getting at least some protection...some control over the key holder was better than none at all. Sharing the power better than one entity have complete power.

        •  That was always the answer (17+ / 0-)

          to the ridiculous "death panel" meme.

          The insurance companies have been determining the treatment available since forever. They have been operating "death panels" ever since the system began, something that Universal Healthcare would end.

          There may have to be some limits to treatments, but they would be transparent, and we would be able to discuss them and vote accordingly.

          I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
          but I fear we will remain Democrats.

          Who is twigg?

          by twigg on Mon Sep 09, 2013 at 06:22:33 AM PDT

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        •  Insurers have a lot of control, still (3+ / 0-)
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          There are indications in California that some insurers will restrict the range of their networks for new subscribers (under Obamacare), as a cost-savings measure. You'll have insurance, but if you want to see the doctor you are accustomed to, you may find out they are "out of network" now. This is not something the law proscribes.

          •  There have always been networks (0+ / 0-)

            but if your provider isn't on the one your insurer has you can ask him/her to apply to be on their panel.

            Most doctors will do that.

            One of the things the panel system does is greatly limit the amount of fraud — by providers. The amount of fraud in Medicare and Medicaid is/was staggering but the Obama administration is working on eliminating it — as much as possible.

            So a lot of the "limited panels" and some denials are FRAUD saving measures.

            I'm asking you to believe. Not in my ability to bring about real change in Washington ... *I'm asking you to believe in yours.* Barack Obama

            by samddobermann on Mon Sep 09, 2013 at 02:24:36 PM PDT

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      •  It's all bullshit. (5+ / 0-)
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        I find it hilarious that you were able to point out where a complete and utterly false story falls apart!  There's not a single bit of truth in it, but this is even better.  Thanks!

        The priest said, "Today's sermon is called 'Liars', but first I have a question. How many of you have read Chapter 66 in Matthew?" Nearly every hand went up. "You're just the group I need to speak to," the priest said. "There's no such chapter."

        by Back In Blue on Mon Sep 09, 2013 at 07:46:03 AM PDT

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    •  just tell your sister in law (13+ / 0-)

      that nothing about Obamacare is free, you pay an insurance premium, the difference between Obamacare and the old system is, the insurance company can't refuse to dance with you and actually has to know, dance, ie pay for some care.   It may still prove too expensive, doesn't make as much sense as single payer,  but it isn't slavery or getting something for nothing.

      Typical right wing blather, right down to mixed races, young people and slavery.    Free the white men from the tyranny of intelligent living.

    •  No one actually said that (4+ / 0-)
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      Someone made it up.

      I'm living in America, and in America you're on your own. America's not a country. It's just a business.

      by CFAmick on Mon Sep 09, 2013 at 07:52:44 AM PDT

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    •  True story! (2+ / 0-)
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      Please lol. But I think a lot of people reading it on FB and in emails will take it as true. That just makes the jobs of (a) getting the truth out and (b) enrolling these maroons even more important.

      It's not about the hundred people whose minds you can't change. It's about the two people you empower. ~ Beth Ditto

      by dejavu on Mon Sep 09, 2013 at 07:54:53 AM PDT

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    •  it's amazing that anyone can believe these stories (5+ / 0-)
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      the very beginning of the story doesn't even sound like the way people talk!  Obama is a saint?  Obama heals the sick for free? what is wrong with these people?

      Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D.
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      by TrueBlueMajority on Mon Sep 09, 2013 at 08:44:42 AM PDT

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