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  •  Rules are helpfully posted (7+ / 0-)

    Camera Use Prohibited signs are pretty well posted on all the PA NY/NJ bridges and tunnels. Not sure about the bike lanes on the GWB, but I imagine they are there, too. There's a gallery of them here from a few years ago: http://offtheshelf.nowis.com/...

    A better title for the diary might have been, "Port Authority Police Officers Not Very Nice At All When Enforcing the Rules We Didn't Know About And Shouldn't Apply to Us And Besides We Don't Agree With."

    •  Wrong (6+ / 0-)
      Following the September 11 attacks on New York and Washington, the Port Authority prohibited people from taking photographs on the premises of the bridge out of fear that terrorist groups might study any potential photographs in order to plot a terrorist attack on the bridge. Such prohibitions have since been lifted.
      •  Not really (1+ / 0-)
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        "Bridges and Tunnels

        The Port Authority operates the George Washington, Goethals and Bayonne bridges; the Outerbridge Crossing; and the Lincoln and Holland tunnels. Videotaping and photographing at toll plazas at any of these facilities is prohibited, and the Port Authority reserves the right to restrict videotaping and photography to designated areas at all of its bridges and tunnels.

        For access to these areas, approval must be received in advance from the Media Relations Unit, 212 435-7777, during regular business hours."

        http://www.panynj.gov/...

        •  They were taking picture from (3+ / 0-)
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          the middle of the bridge, not a toll plaza.

          Photography is NOT prohibited on the bridge.

          The cop was wrong.

          Not to mention how patently absurd the attempted enforcement of a such a law in a densely crowded city. As if people unaware of the prohibition in the past haven't taken thousands of images from the bridge!

          Did the cop confiscate the camera, after seeing these potential TERRORISTS snap away?

          NO, he just told them to stop. So they "got away" with the goods. It's ridiculous.

    •  No kidding... (2+ / 0-)
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      From the PA website's Media Access page:

      The Port Authority operates the George Washington, Goethals and Bayonne bridges; the Outerbridge Crossing; and the Lincoln and Holland tunnels. Videotaping and photographing at toll plazas at any of these facilities is prohibited, and the Port Authority reserves the right to restrict videotaping and photography to designated areas at all of its bridges and tunnels.
      That's the current policy.  We can certainly debate its propriety, but this diary seems a bit...sensationalist.

      The word "parent" is supposed to be a VERB, people...

      by wesmorgan1 on Tue Sep 10, 2013 at 06:49:59 AM PDT

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      •  That's outdated (1+ / 0-)
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        Can you take pictures on the George Washington Bridge?

        Answer: Yes -

        Following the September 11 attacks on New York and Washington, the Port Authority prohibited people from taking photographs on the premises of the bridge because of the fear that terrorist groups might study any potential photographs in order to plot a terrorist attack on the bridge. Such prohibitions have since been lifted. As the enclosed lower level is more vulnerable to hazardous material (HAZMAT) incidents than the upper level, most HAZMATs have been prohibited there even before the September 11th attacks.

        •  You cited Answers.com as definitive??? (1+ / 0-)
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          I think I'd take the Port Authority website over Answers.com as evidence of Port Authority rules.  

          The Port Authority does not say you can't take pictures.  It DOES say that you have to be in designated areas to take pictures.  

          Again, you can argue that the rule should not be the rule.  But as to what the Port Authority's rule is, I think the Port Authority is a more reliable source than Answers.com

          •  Google Knows Best (1+ / 0-)
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            In 2009, youcould not talk a virtual walk across the GWB.

            Now, you can...in 3D. I just did.

            So if photography of the GWB is illegal, you might want to get on the phone to Google and tell them the bad news before all the terrorists FINALLY get to see what they could have never have found elsewhere.

            •  Argh (0+ / 0-)

              "take a virtual walk"

            •  Proves Nothing. Nada. Here's why. (0+ / 0-)

              1.  Google drives without stopping to take pictures or video, so we don't know (a) when this was done, (b) how this was done, or (c) if the PA even knew about it.   If you've never seen the Google Earth car, take a look.

              2.  We don't know if the Google Earth car got permission from the Port Authority.

              3.  We don't know if the PA stopped the Google Earth car, or if their policy is only deal with people who stop to take pictures, as the diarist did.  Perhaps people who are in cars driving across the bridge take pictures from inside their cars without stopping, and the PA don't generally object.  You don't know and neither do I.

              3.  Here's the most important one.  The fact that you think that there may have been another instance of breaking the rules (and we don't know if it was or wasn't) doesn't mean that it's not a rule.  We can't use "but someone else did it" when we are confronted with our own breaking of the rules.

              The fact that pictures of the bridge are on the Google Earth website does not mean that the stated Port Authority rule is not, in fact, a rule.  I think we need to take the Port Authority at its word when the Port Authority tells the public what the Port Authority's rules are.  

              •  No (0+ / 0-)

                Google is keenly aware of access laws about photography, the exact reason why the tour of the GWB was NOT available before the rule had been lifted.

                You are misinterpreting the information on their site, to boot.

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